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Some musings about Gwynn
Submitted by Lothere on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 17:55.
Devin made the following comment on an old chapter about Gwynn:
Oh, so Alred probably didn’t tell Gwynn the whole truth about Lena and Aengus.
But surely she must know by now.Gwynn seems like that type of girl who would be sitting in her room reading romance books like Jane Austin novels and watching movies like Pretty Woman and Bridget Jones’ Diary.
and after writing my reply I thought it deserved a forum topic in case of spoilers. So... *copy & paste*
My Gwynn is often inspired by Anne Shirley (i.e. Anne of Green Gables), if you hadn't noticed.
She must know who the father of Lena's baby is. I can't imagine how that was explained to her, though.
And really, unlike Margaret, Gwynn has a natural aversion to unpleasant or inappropriate truths. Alred has actually succeeded in making an innocent out of Gwynn... just like little kids pretending to believe in Santa Claus even after they know the truth, Gwynn pretends to be innocent even when she knows things her father wishes she didn't. And in some ways, that makes her innocent in truth.
I think she will be quite interesting as she gets older. She isn't and never will be a prude. But she has a very delicate and sensitive nature -- Alred has made a real hothouse flower out of her. She's more of an orchid to Margaret's wild rose. And if Gwynn is ever forced to face unpleasant things, her spirit may be crushed. She will need to be sheltered by a protective man all her life, I think. But if the right man gets her and takes care of her, he will have a treasure.
I know some of you won't agree with me about the treasure though. Gwynn has had a tendency to annoy.
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Gwynn is the type of girl
Submitted by Devin on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 18:03.Gwynn is the type of girl that I would be attracted to but she doesen't seem strong and strong women are high on my list. Alred shelltered Gwynn too much in her short life.
Anne of Green Gables you
Submitted by Devin on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 18:10.Anne of Green Gables you say.
Maybe Raegan will be Gwynn's bosom friend like how Diana is to Anne. I never read the book but I saw the movies and I rather enjoyed it.
Ha ha you remembered the
Submitted by Lothere on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 18:25.Ha ha you remembered the "bosom friend". That sounds so funny today. Especially with Verity doing dances of bosom rightness at the drop of a hat.
I think that one of Gwynn's problems is that she never has had a bosom friend. She doesn't get along so well with her sister. She has tried to be friends with "big girls" like Cat and Flann, but that didn't work out too well when they started having "big girl" problems. And she likes having Raegan around, but I think what she likes there is being a "big girl" getting worshipped by a little girl, in a role reversal of what she was when she was worshipping Cat.
Gwynn really needs a girl of her own age, who is romantic enough to love and understand her, but who has enough of a level head to keep Gwynn from engaging in the dangerous excesses of romanticism, such as the Lady of Shallott chapter of Anne of Green Gables. (Though that had a lovely ending. ) Or... eloping with a handsome, violet-eyed knight, say.
I am thinking Connie might fit the bill, but they're just getting to know each other at this point. And we're just getting to know Connie, for that matter. Plus Connie is grieving for Eithne.
Of course, it may be that Connie needs a "bosom friend" herself, now that Eithne is gone.
Connie slipped my mind but
Submitted by Devin on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 18:29.Connie slipped my mind but yes I think she will be a good friend for Gwynn.
And now we have to choose possible husbands for the girls but that will come in time.
Ooo...I LOVED the Anne of
Submitted by Alice on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 21:47.Ooo...I LOVED the Anne of Green Gables series as a kid. I have all the books! Hm...lots of foreshadowing there. Maybe Gwynn is going to meet her violet-eyed knight and decide to reject him for the boy next door (fingers crossed for Cedric). It's funny because Anne always wished that her eyes were violet. Maybe when I have the time, I'll go and reread the series.
I don't think Kraaia will
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 03/09/2008 - 05:16.I don't think Kraaia will give Cedric up that easily. I guess I'm still hoping for Finn and Gwynn.
I still sometimes reread my
Submitted by Karen on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 02:07.I still sometimes reread my Anne of Green Gables books; the last one, Rilla of Ingleside, was my favorite. Rilla got into scrapes just like Anne (her mother).
Anne and Gilbert were just darling together. I must point out that Gilbert started making fun of Anne to try to get her attention much like Finn did with Gwynn...though Gilbert spent years trying to get her to like him afterwards which I don't really see Finn doing just yet.
That is so funny... I have
Submitted by Verity on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 04:08.That is so funny... I have just been rewatching the series of Anne of Green Gables and Gwynn really is a lot like her! She doesn't really have the strong and wilful personality though. But she is *sigh* so romantic. I just love Gwynn... she is just such a little cutey. I have to say I am now beginning to think maybe Finn is her Gilbert, though he is a bit more mean-spirited than Gil was I think. Awwww just like Wyn was Mouse's Mr Darcy in the end *sniffle*. I don't know though... perhaps Connie is better suited to Finn, she wouldn't put up with his nonsense. What a mess with all these eligible young ppl around. It will be so much fun seeing who ends up with who
It is true that Gwyn is not
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 04:43.It is true that Gwyn is not Anne in some ways... lacking the red-headed temper after all. But Gwynn would totally be the type to dye her hair green or get stuck under a bridge playing Lady of Shallott... or call herself Cordelia and write "Averil's Atonement".
However, fortunately for Gwynn, she is quite exquisitely pretty, is already a Duke's daughter, and her mother's and grandmother's lives were romantic enough that it has become her birthright.
Unfortunately she doesn't have Anne's spice to balance Anne's sweet, nor Anne's pepper to defend herself. Stay tuned.
As for Finn, he is perhaps more like Gil than you know. Who knows how abominable Gil would have been if Anne hadn't cracked her slate over his head that day? That is certainly what the boy needs. Maybe Connie will be the girl to do it, or to teach Gwynn to do it instead.
Karen, Rilla is one of my favorites! I always liked the books when Anne was in her late teens best of all, and we had that again with Rilla.
My only complaint about that book was that LMM had to magically advance the timeline ten years or so to get it to line up with the war. You see *cough* I am so Anne-obsessed that I once read all the books in order and, starting from a date I had read somewhere about what year the Anne of Green Gables book started in (1879 was it?), marked every single chapter with the month and year it took place in. There is usually enough info about holidays and dates in the chapters to make it possible, but with Rilla there's a large leap. Rilla should have been in her late twenties by 1914, I think. Of course maybe my starting date was wrong... but I think I did check out Canadian politics of the time and satisfied myself that the elections lined up. All these Tories and Whigs seemed so quaint to me at the time.
Have you read the Story Girl books? The ones the TV series "Avonlea" was based on. (I think it has a different name in Canada and abroad though "The Road to Avonlea" or something) I loved those as much as Anne, though for different reasons. LMM got a lot more descriptive in those books and evoked the landscape so much better.
I really have no time to drop into the forum this morning, but oh my God somebody dropped in a quarter and pressed the "Avonlea" button. I'm hopeless. Sometimes I still log into realty Websites and check out real estate on PEI and daydream... Perhaps Vancouver Island is some kind of second-best fantasy fulfillment for me after all.
I love, love, love Anne of
Submitted by Cassie on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 07:00.I love, love, love Anne of Green Gables. PEI was my family's summer vacation spot for years.
It's true that Gwynn doesn't have Anne's temper, though. Might end up being a problem for her later.
I envy you your family's
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 07:05.I envy you your family's vacation spot! I've never been.
Gwynn's lack of temper is what makes me think she needs a man (at least a father) who will defend her and protect her. If she's left defending herself, she'll be shattered, poor girl. She's no Matilda in that respect.
Lothere, I never went
Submitted by Karen on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:20.Lothere,
I never went through like you and lined it all up, but now I want to!! I think there are many questions as to when Anne started. I mean, when were puffed sleeves popular?? That's what drove me nuts about the third movie: Gilbert going to WWI instead of his sons.
Have you ever read L.M.M.'s short story collections? I forget which one has them, but there are at least two stories that refer to Anne's grandchildren in passing. A Walter Blythe and a Gil Ford, I believe??? That made me happy for days.
I never read the Story Girl, but I've heard of so many of the different Chronicles. I did read all three of the Emily of New Moon books and absolutely adored them.
Getting back to Gwynn, I'd love to see her doing something akin to Anne's Lady of Shalott performance, complete with the romantic rescue.
It looks like I'm not the
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 10:46.It looks like I'm not the only person to have had this idea. But on that page the Other Person says:
and :
So I guess that answers your question about the puffed sleeves. LMM must not have been as date-obsessed as I, though we both have problems with historical accuracy in fashion.
I have read, I believe, every novel and story collection she wrote, and I too squealed over every passing mention of a character from the Anne books. (My date-collecting included adding dates to some of the chronicle chapters that mentioned Anne or other characters directly. ) Perhaps because she was a Canadian author, my university here in BC had all her books, to my great delight.
You really should read The Story Girl and The Golden Road, if you haven't yet. They are beautiful, and in some ways more moving than the Anne books, since they are written from the POV of an adult man about the couple of years he spent on PEI as a child. So they are sometimes tinged with melancholy and a golden glow, which if you are old enough to begin to be nostalgic about your childhood, you will understand.
As for Gwynn, I did hint at Lady of Shallott adventures, though without the almost-tragic outcomes. In "Lady Gwynn drinks up romance to the dregs" I wrote:
That whole chapter is rather Anne-like if you read Gwynn's thoughts. Anne at 11 anyway.
I had sometimes considered doing something along the Lady of Shallott lines with Gwynn, but I think that at 13 she finds herself too grown-up for such games of pretend now. Any heartbreak, tragedy, or romance in Gwynn's life will likely be the real thing.
I suppose that we'll have to
Submitted by Karen on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 16:59.I suppose that we'll have to take the timeline from Rilla's book as the best that we have.
Now I'm wondering if I ever did read The Story Girl. I'm going to have to start searching though my crates-o-books from when I was teaching and look for all the L.M.M. books and find out. I'm getting a craving for her writing.
Though I am from the U.S., both of my dad's parents are from Canada (St. John, New Brunswick) and so I feel quite attached to those Canadian stories. When I was 15, we were up for a family reunion and my family was going to head over to P.E.I. on our way home, but my mother woke up with a migraine, postponing my visit to Anne indefinitely. I do want to go one day.
You know, a character like Rilla (with her fascination for the slightly older Ken) would be fun.