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'What If....?'
Submitted by Sonia on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 23:26.
Not to influence your story (as if I'd do that ), I was wondering about Araphael.
Yes, he is selfish, impulsive, arrogant and horny (whoops, did I say that out loud? )
But ....
....WHAT IF....
.....he'd inhabited a host body, like Alwy's? (just an example here, I have the deepest respect for Alwy)
With Araphael's sharp wit, how would he manage to cope with Alwy's much duller brain. Surely that would be extremely frustrating for him.
Obviously it would be a novelty at first, but eventually, he'd soon tire and wish regretfully that he hadn't chosen this host body in the first place?
But that's only my thoughts about this scenario. Hopefully it won't even happen in the future, otherwise there'd be a HUGE outcry throughout the land (as if there isn't already one at present)
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Submitted by Tiana on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 21:23.Great and now that horny angel is stuck in a Scottish Jesus body. But that would be crazy if he came back as Alwy...holy pie balls that would stir things up. Or what if he came back in a girls body and then hit on Flann? THAT would be awesome but Lothere can't do girl on girl, cause I wanna do it first in my story! Not to give anything away.
I can't really think of any other influential guys that Araphel could come back as. But he already screwed up by coming back as Egelric's dead son. Poor Egelric, he has had so much drama lately, I wouldn't be surprised if he flew off the handle and burned some stuff down. After he wrecked the boozer of course.
There could be tons of what ifs....what if Egelric and Gunnilda had gotten together, maybe he would have finally had a wife that wouldn't die since Gunnilda is the only original woman left from the beginning families. And what if Vash and Iylaine had gotten together, what would've happened to Malcolm?
Its fun to think of these things. Does anyone else have any what if scenarios that they think about?
Not to give too much away,
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 04:21.Not to give too much away, but Araphel and his buddies couldn't come back as a female at all. Nor could they come back as Alwy or any other character we know. However there is a possibility that they could come back as a person with problems of some sort... that's why Dantalion flipped his lid when Araphel admitted he hadn't done any "research" before picking the body he got in "Cian cries up from the depths":
It seems like that would be a real problem, though, if an angel got a body that had the mental capacities of an Alwy, say. It would be difficult for him to do his job... and not reveal too much to people. It takes a lot of craftiness to lie and lie and lie the way they do.
Umm... if Egelric had ended up with Gunnilda... he would probably be very boring now, and people would be begging for Egelric + Gunnilda chapters... which happens now anyway, but at least there is the promise of drama if I do one. Also, I suspect they would have very ugly children.
If Iylaine had ended up with Vash... as I theorized recently, she might have soon grown sick of being an elven princess with all the strait-jacket-ness of the position. But she would have been fulfilled on a deep level, which might have made her overlook that. And Vash is kind enough he surely would have done his best to make it pleasant to her. And get your minds out of the gutter, that is not what I meant, though he would surely have done that too.
Malcolm, on the other hand, depending on how late or early in the story it happened, would have gotten over her sooner or later and married someone else. Probably a cousin of his. Maybe Cat or Flann! I'm sure he would have remembered Iylaine fondly as his first crush/love and maybe even never truly "gotten over her", but he would have gone on living in a way that Vash has not.
What if??
What if Lili had gone to Alred instead of Egelric, as he imagined for a while? I think it would have been awful for Alred once the reality of it had sunk in, and perhaps not so much fun for Lili either, though I think she would have steam-rollered him and gone on being Lili.
What if Leofric had not already been married to Eadgith the first time he met Matilda, as he once wondered himself? Would he have won her? (Probably not, but who knows?)
What if Leofric had kept his pants on in later years and not fathered Leia? Would Matilda and Alred have worked things out together? (I think that is the what-if that makes me wonder the most. And yet I prefer not to dwell on it.)
What if? Actually, this whole story is a giant what if, from approximately the point where Leofric shows up in the valley. The future is already out of whack by this time due to Cedric's birth, but it's getting more and more chaotic recently. Already it seems Leofric's unexpected survival at Hastings has led to a new pope sooner than expected. And Araphel never would have met Flann... and Eadie never would have married Sigefrith... and so on...
Yeah, the Alred & Matilda
Submitted by Cassie on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 06:52.Yeah, the Alred & Matilda one is the one I wonder about the most too, although it tends to make me depressed if I think about it for too long.
I think they would have. I think if Matilda had snapped out of it, had moved on past her crisis and not just faded into death the way she did...who knows, but I think she could have gotten past it. And if she had gotten past it, I think they would have worked it out.
As much as I loved Egelric and Gunnilda back in the day, I can't really wish they'd gotten together, because that would have meant his marriage to Lili would never have happened. And I just can't wish for that.
I randomly wonder, what if
Submitted by Seiza on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 05:42.I randomly wonder, what if Maud had gone away with Malcolm? The repercussions may have been more political than anything else, maybe. Would Scots still be welcomed on Sigefrith's land? Although since Lothere isn't really a unified country the way we know ours now, it might not have affected Cat, Flann and every other Scot that visits all the other domains (Alred's, for example).
Would Malcolm have such wanderlust then, because at this point it seemed he was pushing himself to breaking point because of Maud? If he isn't the kind of guy who can settle down in one spot, Maud's heart may have ended up broken again.
It might not have ended up in anything more than a few more broken hearts, but... I wonder sometimes.
That is not a random wonder!
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 06:26.That is not a random wonder! That is a really excellent question. I thought about making it happen, way back when, but I could not imagine Maud leaving her children, nor taking them away from Sigefrith.
If she had not had Caedwulf and Brit, perhaps she would have gone, though I am not certain that Malcolm was serious about taking her when he asked her then. I don't think he really figured out he was in love with her until he came back a year later. Until then he thought she was just another fling, nothing special. But later...
I can't remember where, but I am almost positive he said somewhere, in later years, that they would surely have come to hate each other in the end. I can imagine then fighting (viciously, as is the way of both of them), and Malcolm would end up walking on out her, taking off for romps of days, and then weeks, and then months, until one day he doesn't return, just like he did to Maire. Nevertheless:
Supposing they had run away together, with Cubby (though not with Sigefrith's children... Sigefrith obviously would have hunted them down to the ends of the earth if they had taken his kids) they both would have been outcasts of a sort. Colban had already threatened to ban Malcolm from his house forever if he went to Maud more than that one last time he was allowed. And obviously Lothere would have been off-limits.
I suspect the political fall-out would have been minimized if Colban had gone through with that, though it probably would have broken his own heart to do it. Sigefrith is a diplomat, and though I admit he had a big weakness where Maud was concerned, he knows he needs Aed's support. And in fact, Colban and Aed are usually not on the best of terms themselves, so Sigefrith might have just ended up putting Colban's clan on his blacklist and continuing friendly relations with Aed and the others.
Ha, sometimes I forget that not only is this just a what-if scenario, but even the what-actually-happened scenario is not real at all.
What if Maud and Matilda
Submitted by Devin on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:10.What if Maud and Matilda didn't die. How would their lives be today in 1085?
Well, we wondered a bit
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:30.Well, we wondered a bit above what would have happened if Matilda had lived, though it is a rather sensitive subject. I think Alred would be a much happier man now if she had. It was almost enough for him to love her, even if she didn't love him. (Which she did! She totally did!)
I really don't think anything further would have happened between Leof and Matilda, though Leof would surely have wanted it. On the other hand, Matilda would have kept Peleia around, which would have been very awkward to say the least. Leof probably would have lost his mind trying to get to her. So maybe he would have contrived to "get to" Matilda at the same time.
OK, actually I don't know what would have happened. But I don't think Matilda loved Leofric the way he loved her, so the outcome might have ended up being an actual Leofric vs. Alred combat and I would imagine that Alred would have won. And if Leof had been enough of an adulterous villain about it, I don't think there would have been any legal consequences, so don't bother theorizing about that.
As for Maud, she would have gone utterly mad and Sigefrith would have been obliged to lock her up, à la Jane Eyre. It's better for everyone that she died, I think.
My poor poor Maud A part
Submitted by Devin on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:38.My poor poor Maud A part of me will always resent Sigefrith for marrying her without her consent.
Now Lothere I never understood why you killed Lili; you had said that she and Egelric were cute together but then she died. Was Egelric getting boring that you had to axe Lili off as you did Lady Sela. What would Lili think of her predecessor's sister moving into the castle?
Maud would have gone mad
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 13:07.Maud would have gone mad either way, Devin, with or without Sigefrith. It might have taken a different form, but that's why her uncle kept her at the abbey and didn't let her marry.
I don't think Lili would be too thrilled about Sela's elf sister moving into her castle, but then again I don't see any likelihood of that happening any time soon, so the question is not germane.
Why I killed Lili...
Did you just say her
Submitted by Devin on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 13:32.Did you just say her castle? That castle was built when Egelric was married to Sela that was her home and she might have enjoyed living there if Lar hadn't chose to be a dick. Lili only came to live there becuase she layed on her back and spread eagle for Egelric, the nerve of that girl to consider the castle as hers. Even in death Lili is still annoying me.
God I miss that girl.
Now, now, that castle wasn't
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 13:40.Now, now, that castle wasn't built for Sela... Egelric didn't even fully comprehend he was building it for himself. All he wanted was his cabin by the lake, which he asked for and got. I am not sure he would ever have taken Sela to the castle, though it's really, really hard to say.
And he would not have agreed with you about that being Lili's castle. It certainly became so -- it was Lili who made it seem like a home to him. When she first arrived, in "Alred brings a harp":
And she's buried there now, beneath a stone slab on the chapel floor, so she will dwell in it forever.
Fine it was Lili's but it
Submitted by Devin on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 13:52.Fine it was Lili's but it was also Sela's as well. My pride will not let me beleive anything other then that.
Since Sela didn't like
Submitted by Lisa on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 11:17.Since Sela didn't like living in a small cottage (she tolerated it for Egleric), I think she'd have really felt confined in a stone castle with very few windows.
Well that was from Egelric's
Submitted by Devin on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:06.Well that was from Egelric's pov that she didn't like the idea of living in the cottage. Remember Egelric suddenly took Sela to the cottage, they realy didn't discuss it. At the time we didn't have Sela's POV and nor could she speak the english language fluently she was just learning to. And also during that time we didn't know she had a sister and other family members. Maybe Sela acted the way she did when Egelric first brought her to the cottage because she was worried about her handicapped sister or maybe she wanted Aia to live with her and Egelric. She couldn't tell Egelric that she had a sister because Sela couldn't fully speak english and then Vash took away her words making her mute.
Of course this is all speculation on my part.
I don't think Sela ever
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:15.I don't think Sela ever really did feel comfortable in the house, though she got used to it after a while. Remember at first she used to stay outside whenever Egelric was not home and only came in when he was there. Perhaps after some years she would have gotten comfortable enough to go live at the castle, but perhaps not. Living "wild" all your life until you're 20 or so, it might be hard to adapt to castle life.
We now know that on the night Egelric took Sela away, she was probably thinking of her sister, and that was at least one of the reasons why she hesitated. But once there she stayed. So I don't know what we should think about that. Anyway no one will ever know what she thought about leaving Aia -- Egelric never knew about Aia at all, and Aia never knew the circumstances under which Sela left. She probably thinks Sela just abandoned her one night -- just decided to leave. But since she so worshiped Sela and thinks so little of herself, she was surely willing to overlook that.
It will be interesting if Aia and Egelric ever compare stories and try to guess what Sela was thinking. Egelric always has felt a bit guilty about that as it is.
It's sad that Aia belittles
Submitted by Devin on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:38.It's sad that Aia belittles herself, all I see is this beautiful strong young woman. It's a shame that she doesen't see that in herself.
I don't know whether Matilda
Submitted by Alice on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 14:44.I don't know whether Matilda would have survived another pregnancy anyway. From your descriptions in the story, she seemed to have suffered gestational diabetes. She and Alred were never exactly "careful." So the only way she could have lived is if Alred died like history was originally supposed to go and she didn't have any more children for the rest of her life. On another note, Lothere, your plot about using willow bark to cure fever was veeeeeeery clever. You really did your research for this story.
I guess the proof that she
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 15:50.I guess the proof that she wouldn't have survived one is that she didn't survive with Leia. She was quite sick while she was pregnant with her, and even had a stroke at the end. She had a miscarriage some time after the old man's birth, too.
There's no reason to think that Leia was especially toxic, though with Leof being such a big man, perhaps she would have been too large for her if she had carried her to full term.
Anyway, you're right, I doubt Matilda and Alred would have been "careful" enough to last her through to menopause, and she would have died anyway. The aftermath for Alred might have been different, though, if he had not found out about Leofric (or it had never happened, as long as we're on the subject of what if's), and perhaps more importantly if he and Matilda had really made up before she died, and he had some real proof of her love rather than these old memories he's clinging to, like the night of Margaret's birth. Actually, if she had died on that night, though we would have had no old man at all, and Alred would have had that many less years with her, I think he would be a happier man today.