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The Prophecy
Submitted by Devin on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 14:36.
You mentioned that Finn was part of a prophecy the elves believe in. That is why they left Iylaine in the woods and Mistress Elfleda found her; and they also kidnapped Finn. But what if the elves are wrong what if Finn is not part of the prophecy but instead it's Wulf. The boy does have magic despite that his father is a man and his mother is a kisor elf khorron ancestors. Finn unlike his younger brothers does not have any magic.
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It's not the magic Finn
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 06:33.It's not the magic Finn needs to make the difference, it's the fact that he was raised among elves and Iylaine was raised among men. The idea was that they would both grow up and then go back to their native people, but each with a new understanding of the other people.
This isn't a prophecy like The Magical Boy must complete a quest and go to the Gate of X with the Artifact of Y and cast the spell of Z to reveal the ancient treasure. It is just the Bright Lady telling them, "OK this is what you have to do if you don't want your race to be wiped out." That's why they gave a baby elf to the men a hundred years ago, so that they could legitimately come back and "borrow" her descendant, and so that he would have enough elfiness to live comfortably with them.
I wouldn't write off Finn's magical abilities yet, either, just because he doesn't know he has them. Don't forget his father seems to be part-fairy.
But what about Wulf surly
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 08:09.But what about Wulf surly there must be something special about the boy.
Mr. Rogers would say there's
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 08:23.Mr. Rogers would say there's something special about everyone.
You evasively answered my
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 08:31.You evasively answered my question so there is something special about Wulf.
*Sigh* Mr. Rogers it was only 15 years ago when I wacthed that show. I miss my childhood.
There is something special
Submitted by PenelopetheFox on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 08:39.There is something special about Wulf: He's a cute kid.
But I often have trouble separating his personality from that of Gils. They're like Rosecrantz and Guildenstern.
EDIT: And as an aside, I actually used to live in Mr. Roger's neighborhood on Fifth Ave. in Pittsburgh. There's a statue of him as a t-rex there today.
You lived in Mr. Rogers's
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 09:21.You lived in Mr. Rogers's neighborhood? God, I adored that show. I even cried when he died, which is not usually my way. He was something special. *sniffles*
If you can't tell Wulf and Gils apart then I need to do some more chapters with those boys. Wulf is very outgoing and especially kind and friendly and compassionate. He's also the idea man -- Gils would never do much of anything without Wulf putting him up to it.
Wulf is like a big friendly puppy, and Gils is more like a shy cat, though when he feels at ease in a situation he can be silly and affectionate too. Lately things haven't been so good for him, though, with Finn the "real son" coming home, and then Lili's death. Gils isn't one to express his feelings either... I think that as an adopted son he lives in constant fear that if he proves to be too much of a bother, then they will just get rid of him, so he keeps it all inside. Poor little guy.
I see a lot of parallels between Gils and Lar, and what Lar's childhood must have been -- being raised by Dasi's father -- and God knows he was loved in that family, but he was always feeling like an outsider. Lar has a lot of insecurities about who he is, and where he belongs, and this sort of "terrible truth" about his father that almost no one knows, and I can see Gils growing up the same way. With that, and the simple genetic relationship, I think Gils will resemble Lar in many ways, in spite of never knowing him. (Or will he?)
You have said the greatest
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 11:21.You have said the greatest fear I have for Gils. I kind of got the impression that Dru was the one who molested Lar that might be the ugly truth. The ugly truth for Gils is that Lar killed his mama. Lothere would everything be different if Lar didn't kill Sela or if Lili didn' diet? As we're getting a look into Lar's character I don't think he intended to kill her it just happened accidentally.
The ugly truth I meant about
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 12:27.The ugly truth I meant about Lar's father is just who he is. The elves fear him as a sort of predator, so Lar's not really able to admit who his father is. Even though the other kids always made fun of him for (supposedly) not knowing who his father was. Only Imin and Llen know that about him now, out of the elves left alive.
And it's interesting that you are finally getting indulgent enough with Lar to admit he might have accidentally killed her. What happened that night will be a topic of a chapter or two in the coming months.
And, really, many things would have been different if either Sela or Lili didn't die. Think of how many things have changed because Leofric didn't die when he was supposed to. It's like ripples in a pond, as the Dark Lady said, spreading outwards and changing more and more things as time goes by.
I know, I'm surprised at
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:20.I know, I'm surprised at myself for thinking that but it does seem reasonable now. I don't think he ever ment to kill her, it just happened. This is my scenario:
Lar and his boys enter Lady Sela's cottage; they try to persuade her to take the boys and leave with them.
But Sela knowing that her children would have a safer and happy life living with the men refused. Lar probably tried to take one of the boys my bet is Gils. And Sela tried to grab him back then she and Lar began to fight. And he loses his temper and accidentally uses his magic to suffocate Sela....
It still is so hard to beleive that Lady Sela such a gentle creature was murdered.
Wow it really puts Sela in a
Submitted by Twistedchic911 on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:29.Wow it really puts Sela in a whole new light for me. Sure I felt bad that she died, but I didn't think about how it happened... It makes her seem really heroic.
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I didn't say it was an
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:29.I didn't say it was an accident, mind. And this was five-years-ago Lar, not the kinder, gentler Lar of today.
But either way, you can be sure that if Sela was conscious at any point in the proceedings, she would have been putting up some sort of resistance. Even if Lar "accidentally" killed her, it didn't happen while he was helping her with her coat or something.
Lothere your not helping me
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:40.Lothere your not helping me see the good in Lar. You know that if Lar had planned to kill her I would go right back to detesting him. Regardless of whether it was an accident or not he still ruined my dreams for Lady Sela.
But she was his friend how could he kill her?
Simply because she was in
Submitted by Twistedchic911 on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:41.Simply because she was in the way. And didn't the elves like her? Because Imin told his son to never forgive the death of "Sela the poet" So. We're no the only ones unhappy with Lar...
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Did I ever say Lar was
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:45.Did I ever say Lar was Sela's friend? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. Lar is not known for making friends with females anyway, but I have a hard time seeing those two getting along, in particular. They grew up on opposite sides of the valley, for one. He might have known (probably did know) her father, but Sela I don't think he ever had a particular relationship with.
Imin on the other hand...
I knew it !!!! YES!
Submitted by Twistedchic911 on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:51.I knew it !!!! YES! But.... when did he start on the raping spree? Before or after her death?! He could have loved her and snapped when his best friend killed his one true love!! Urg. But I don't want to like Imin. *WHINE*
EDIT: Lothere, did you ever think of resurrecting sims, in a story like context? And why is Imin still alive, do you have any big plans for him? *hates Imin*
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Well I assumed that she was
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 13:51.Well I assumed that she was friends with him because it appears she was close with Imin and she was Dasi's niece in-law.
After she went to live with
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 14:29.After she went to live with Egelric , Gils was born in 1079.
Who's Dasi? Did I miss
Submitted by Twistedchic911 on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 14:01.Who's Dasi? Did I miss something?
EDIT: Soooooooooo, he had ego problems with his true love marring a man instead of him and was all butt hurt about it and *then* he snapped. Or did he?? He had a family by this time with his wife, wasn't he supposed to he happy? Or did something else happen?
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Twisted, I did do that
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 14:10.Twisted, I did do that already with Matilda. And I resurrected the Sim of Maud. Unless you had something else in mind. Like flashback chapters or something. I really don't want to do flashback chapters, it seems like a kind of lame plot device, or at least hard to do well. An entire prequel story, then maybe. But I don't have enough time to keep this one advancing as it is, so maybe we had better pretend I didn't mention that.
Dasi = Dartesas. The elven nick-naming scheme is a bit complicated.
Devin, Imin and Lar have never been friends like in terms of hanging out together. Imin is quite a bit older. There is practically the same difference in age between Lar and Imin as there is between Lar and Imin's eldest daughter. And Lar has never been one to spend his weekend afternoons hanging out with girls and listening to poetry, so they wouldn't have had much in common.
How can you not love Imin? It's perfectly acceptable to detest him at the same time. He is just so creepily sexy and bitter and angry and sad. He is Alred if everything beautiful had been burned out of Alred's life from day one, and Matilda had scorned him, and most of his friends had been slaughtered (which a good many were at Hastings, but anyway), and etc.
I don't know how many raping "sprees" he has been on. The one real "spree" we know of was when Lar sent his elves out to rape women in retaliation for a man having taken an elf. That was definitely a bit of deliberate spree-making. This was before Sela was killed, but after she had gone to live with Egelric. So make of that what you will.
Otherwise it has been mostly single incidents where it was not about sex at all, but some twisted manipulative/vengeful game he and/or Lar were playing -- with Paul, with the men in general, or with each other.
I don't know what they did before we started following their story. Rape has always been a weapon of war. They just weren't raping women, since there weren't any in the valley then.
Second reply after rereading
Submitted by Lothere on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 14:18.Second reply after rereading your comments *cough*
Why is Imin still alive? If I still have to answer that, then I will say I need him as part of Lar's story. There is definitely something symbiotic about those two, or maybe a mutual parasitism. They both need each other more than they care to admit. And as characters, yes, I definitely need to keep Imin around as a foil for Lar. I do have big plans for him, at least in a general sense. Don't look for Imin's death any time soon.
I'm not going to say too much more about any relationship that might have existed between Imin and Sela. Aia probably knows all about it., so it will either come out in the story, or, if it's not important, it won't. It does seem to be pretty important to Imin though.