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Random Alred-related Thoughts
Submitted by PorkWithBones on Mon, 07/18/2011 - 21:02.
I dreamt that I was in their castle, and I opened this door, and I saw Hetty cheating on Alred with a certain man. And I was thinking "OH CRAP Alred is going to be devastated."
They didn't notice me, so I closed the door and tiptoed down the hall. And who should I run into but Alred? I tried to distract him, but I was seriously nervous that he was going to get past me and open that door.
The weird thing is -- the man that Hetty was cheating on Alred with WAS ALRED HIMSELF.
[Quoted from the Dreams thread, but my response became too long and too serious to fit in over there.]
First off, this is a freaky-weird dream. (Also, hilarious.)
It's making me wonder, though, whether part of Alred's problem these days is that he feels on some level that he was cheating on Matilda('s memory) the whole time he was with Hetty.
Poor man. I think he needs to do eventually something epically stupid (but mild in the scheme of things), so that he can feel genuinely contrite, and Hetty can be genuinely angry for once (instead of hurt, unloved, and rejected). And then we can have another sweet forgiveness scene to be followed by ahem.
I don't think things between Alred and Hetty -- or even within Alred's head -- can significantly improve as long as Alred can tell himself it's Not His Fault and feel betrayed, even while guilt-tripping himself for his reaction. If he can realize he has genuinely wronged Hetty (or someone else, perhaps), and can feel the wrongness of causing that hurt for someone else (in the way he doesn't feel much of anything right now), then he might begin to forgive as he finds himself being offered comfort and eventually forgiven.
[I'm not sure how long this has gotten, so forgive me if I'm too long-winded tonight. On a related note, remind me sometime to discuss why I think Alred's mirror counterpart is not Imin but Eglric.]
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Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 07/21/2011 - 16:04.I don't check the forum often enough.
I don't think Alred felt at the time that he was cheating on Matilda. He may be telling himself that now though -- retroactively justifying his withdrawal from Hetty. Perhaps in a fit of sour grapes even.
I say that mainly because he seemed way too involved in his pining for Lili for him to have been feeling guilty about betraying Matilda's memory.
I think he actually started letting go of Matilda in a good way at one point -- I am thinking of that conversation he had with Dunstan when he showed him the Psalter. "Alred lends Dunstan a book." Dunstan seems to be way more determined to keep things All About Matilda than Alred was. Alred seemed to be wanting to move on so he could have another lady laying her head on his breast. He was ready to start thinking about loving someone else.
Then Lili came along and perversely preferred his protégé to him--and that seemed to have negative effects.
I really don't know what it would take to get it through Alred's head that he can be an asshole sometimes. If that idiotic revelation about the poem didn't do it, I don't know what will. He could have gotten tangled up in a "This is not what it looks like!", naked-with-Gytha type of situation, and that would have hurt Hetty less than what he told her about the poem.
Oh Lord I still don't know what to do with Alred and Hetty. I would love to hear about Egelric and Alred though.
Two additional Alred + Hetty
Submitted by PorkWithBones on Wed, 08/03/2011 - 18:49.Two additional Alred + Hetty thoughts:
At some point, Alred should really have that dream. (Yes, I'm saying you should give some version of an actual dream you had to the character you dreamed it about.) It would be amusing, and might also give Alred some kind of insight.
The other thought: does Hetty ever write poems? If she never has, might she try now? A love poem (or at least one loving in sentiment) from Hetty to Alred might be one way to eventually break the ice and the them back on the right road. This could take many forms, but I am imagining Alred accidentally discovering such a poem among Hetty's things, and having to think about it: who wrote it, and for whom, and was it true, and... If he discovered it altogether by accident, he'd know she wasn't somehow trying to manipulate him; and I can imagine Hetty keeping that kind of secret to herself. Alred would surely recognize an acrostic with his name, for example, if he needed proof about who it was meant for.
(Alred + Egelric analysis to follow, eventually. What do we know about Alred's parents?)
Hetty doesn't write poems,
Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 08/04/2011 - 04:49.Hetty doesn't write poems, but it would be sweet if she tried. She has already decided that a poem doesn't have to be good to mean something. Maybe Dunstan and the Old Man and the girls will each want to surprise their father with a poem for [Insert Special Occasion Here], and Hetty will decide to add hers to the pile.
Ooh, or she could secretly write one while the kids are busy with theirs, and Gwynn finds it and thinks it was supposed to go in the pile, and it gets in there without Hetty's intervention. Another misplaced poem saves the day! Or at least gets the day on the track to being saved.
About Alred's parents: We don't know much about his mom except that she was nice but presumably not very strong-willed. Alred grew up with his paternal grandfather, his father and mother, and his little brother Yware. His father was at least verbally abusive with him (see "Alred sees no poetry" and "Alred tells the truth") and I am fairly sure we have seen his grandfather described as stern.
His father and grandfather died within months of each other when he was ten, and his little brother died when Alred was twelve, leaving Alred alone with his widowed mother till she died in 1061. He has no family, and doesn't seem to have memories of any particular friends from that period either. He doesn't seem to come to life until he teamed up with Sigefrith's crew in the army of Wessex back when Earl Harold was busy subduing Wales. (Maybe he went to war in response to his mother's death? Nothing left to live for, right?)
Ooh, or she could secretly
Submitted by PorkWithBones on Thu, 08/04/2011 - 18:21.After Hetty has an internal converation with herself, wanting so badly to add it to the pile herself, but not being able to bring herself to do so, and secretly despairing once again of things ever improving? Sooooo romantic!
Ooh. Or she writes two poems, because obviously she was going to write one along with the children, but she found the first one was too revealing of her feelings for her hsband, which she didn't want to share either because it is too painful for her to face rejection or because -- Hetty-like -- she was trying to respect Alred's and not show affection he did not want and could not return. And then, Gwynn ex machina.
[Special Occasion] would be particularly interesting if it were Alred's birthday, since that is Hetty's birthday too. Hm.
I was thinking of their
Submitted by Lothere on Fri, 08/05/2011 - 03:52.I was thinking of their birthday too but they were born in November! That puts us in late 2013.