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Which Lotherian character do you most resemble?
Submitted by Verity on Sat, 02/23/2008 - 16:41.
I was intrigued when Lothere said she chose Eadie as an avatar because she thought she most resembled her actual looks. Obviously I don't really look like Brude, so I thought it would be interesting if people thought about which character they actually look the most like. I can't work it out for me yet and it is almost 2am here now so I am going to sleep on it and probably troll through the who's who tomorrow thinking about it.
And which character is most like them personality wise would be interesting too.
Okay... off to bed (probably not going to be able to sleep now that I will be thinking about this though )
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Submitted by Lothere on Sat, 02/23/2008 - 17:44.I would love to think my readers are all such beautiful people as my characters.
I think King Sigefrith looks startlingly like my dad sometimes, down to the hazel eyes. Does that count for (or mean) anything?
If Freya had darker hair I might have chosen her on the basis of looks. I resemble her more than Eadgith in the face, though that still isn't saying much. I have never bothered to make a Sim that looked like me. I am living out beautiful-people fantasies in my world, if that isn't already embarrassingly apparent.
In terms of personalities -- or personae might be the better term -- I must grudgingly conclude that it's still Egelric after all these years. It is becoming ever more difficult to explain why, but it is so. Something about the workings of his mind, his sarcasm and cynicism, his prickly spines. Also his relationship with Iylaine was very me-like. Egelric withdraws, and Egelric bites if bothered.
I resemble Ethelwyn, too -- perhaps superficially more than I do Egelric. The arrogant intellectual type, though I am not as hapless as poor Ethelwyn. Nor as drop-dead gorgeous. This part is me, though, from "Ethelwyn faces the night":
I may have mentioned this before, but I have a pathologically poor long-term memory for past events and people I used to know. So while I am not amnesiac, there is some of that frustration coming out in Wyn, I think. It's not that I don't care, it's that I don't remember.
And finally, there has been a lot of me in Alred lately. I am not and never have been an outgoing or funny person, but the late focus on his depression has all come straight out of me. I am the part of Alred that makes everyone unhappy and uncomfortable. The lovable, darling Alred that everyone sighs over and wants to have as a husband or best friend, that's all fantasy.
Yes, I have noticed that these are all men.
My personality is alot like
Submitted by Devin on Sat, 02/23/2008 - 18:12.My personality is alot like Vash's; I am calm, patient, soft spoken and serene as a couple of my friends say.
On my bad days I can be a bitch like Elfleda and Maud that's why they are so dear to me.
I also resemble Lady Sela in a way, we both love the wilderness. I would love to live in a cottage surrounded by trees just like hers.
Okay so I thought about it
Submitted by Verity on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 02:17.Okay so I thought about it and looked through some pics and I think the character that looks most like me (though she is far far better looking) is Synne. Especially with her new hairdo as her hair colour is much more similar to my mousey blonde. But she has straight hair, blue eyes, her nose looks a lot like mine and her lips are like mine but hers are fuller. So there we go. I have tried making myself on the sims before but it didn't really work that well, it didn't look that much like me. I will put up the pic somewhere sometime.
So now I have to think about personality. And write my post
Haha, I'm glad that someone
Submitted by stacysaurus on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 02:32.Haha, I'm glad that someone else was also thinking about this, because I have also been trying to figure out which character I might resemble I also tried creating myself as a Sim, but it did not look anything like me
I think maybe I would look more like Margaret, except with straight hair... or maybe Sela? Well, I have those pitch-black eyes like Alred, but my skin is pretty dark for a Chinese lady, so I don't know. My eyebrows have this slant to them so I feel like I look pissed all the time, haha. And my nose... is not really so cute and dainty like Margaret's and Sela's. Eep!
Personality-wise, I have no idea I never really though about it. Although a long time ago, I would say I resembled Hetty like whoa. But I am quite different these days!!
Physically, I believe that I
Submitted by Karen on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 06:55.Physically, I believe that I most resemble Wynflaed or Britamund; someone with long brown hair and brown eyes. Personality-wise, I think I'd be some mixture of Brit, a young Eadie, and Gwynn. I'm kind of dreamy like Gwynn, but not obsessive about it, thank goodness!
Looks wise, I might have to
Submitted by Bonnie_Laurel on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 07:04.Looks wise, I might have to say I'm one of the scots, given my NOSE and chin. My coloring is lighter, however, with blue eyes and brown hair.
Personality wise - I don't know. I think I share something with both Lili, and maybe Matilda. Particuarly Lili, though, since I'm not sure I would have had the strength to maintain Matilda's fowardness in the face of the misogynistic society that she lived in.
However, they were the two characters I touched most with in Lothere, and I remember being nearly as angry with Matilda over her affair with Leofric as I think she wound up being with herself.
I think I resemble Leofric
Submitted by Devin on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 07:47.I think I resemble Leofric and Leila's last child Aefen; we have the same skin tone my eyes are darker then his and my nose is a little wider. Aside from Eadie, young sigefrith and Leia we don't see much of Leofric's other children.
I think I look like Murchad
Submitted by François on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 10:04.I think I look like Murchad because of the tan skin and the dark hair (though my hair is a little fairer than dark). For the personality, I am so like Ethelwyn, with so much french gallantry and a little of Egelric for the sarcasm. Physically speaking, Ethelwyn looks a little like me (more my brother than me but still) so I'll say Ethelwyn at the end !
Personality-wise, I think I
Submitted by Choco on Sun, 02/24/2008 - 20:52.Personality-wise, I think I would most resemble Hetty. I remember a chapter where it mentioned that she mourned for her husband only out of duty. I think I can see myself doing that for people I'm obliged to. I also am experiencing the second-best syndrome, as well as not feeling as though I could be loved very much at all. I also smile so no one realizes that I'm not feeling perfect and not wanting to bother anyone. So, that explains the avatar.
Physically, I really doubt I resemble anyone in the story. My skin is too dark and the only person we've seen with dark skin is Dantalion, though my coloring is no where near that dark. I also don't know if anyone in Lothere has quarter size dimples. Although, I can imagine that the Old Man might to add to the cuuute.
Um....hmmmm....what
Submitted by Taryn on Mon, 02/25/2008 - 03:15.Um....hmmmm....what character do I look like? Well lemme think......well, I'd have to say that I think I resemble Mouse, but with thinner lips. Personality wise I think I'm kinda like Lilli, brass and bold. Sometimes I say things and then I think I should have rather kept my mouth shut. Needless to say I've shocked some folks. But I could be wrong on both counts since I'm terrible at describing people in both area's, including myself.
Well, in the looks
Submitted by Sonia on Mon, 02/25/2008 - 04:24.Well, in the looks department, I think I've got more than a passing resemblance to the Warty Mother (just kidding there).
Actually, I don't think I look like anybody, as I'm a lot 'fuller in the figure', with streaks of silver hair running through my head. My skin is fair (apart from the rosy tan I've recently acquired), my hair is generally a dark blonde (when I'm not trying to keep the 'silver' at bay) and I have hazel green eyes.
As for personality, it's a cross between Matilda with her no nonsense approach, and Iylaine, as I tend to over react quite a lot and reach the wrong conclusions far too quickly.
For female characters, I'd
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 12:33.For female characters, I'd say I'm a sort of an amalgamation of Sigrid, Wynflaed, and Eithne.
I'm very, very similar to Alred, though. I have many of his good qualities - the sensitivity, the sense of humor, the empathy, the deep heart - but also his melancholy, his weakness, his self-loathing, are very present in me as well. There are certainly differences, but like Alred, among my friends I have always been the great lover, the great joker, and the great depressive.
Oh, Cassie! Do you mean to
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 12:41.Oh, Cassie! Do you mean to say there are truly Alreds in the world? I am so happy to think so.
And don't deny it now! *points sternly* It is a joy to see someone so frankly admit their good qualities.
I can only try, Lothere, I
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 12:46.I can only try, Lothere, I can only try.
Obviously there are differences, one of them being that I am an 18-year-old girl instead of a man in his thirties and forties. And I think my sense of humor is a bit...sharper than his. I guess I'm a little like Lili in that way.
If I'm so similar to Alred, does my being in love with him make me a narcissist? Dear me, I hope not!
I thought opposites were
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 12:49.I thought opposites were supposed to attract? Actually, by that logic, since Imin is my mirror Alred, that would require you to be attracted to Imin. Clearly there is still hope for you.
...ew. That would make
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 13:42....ew.
That would make sense...I have a feeling I would be water nature if I were an elf, and I would guess that Alred would, too. Although I must admit my love for Alred is probably more "what a darling. I want to give him a hug." than a...physical kind. Not that I feel anything physical for any sim. Not me.
Wow, another idea for a
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 13:51.Wow, another idea for a poll... if you were an elf, what nature would you have? That's a tough question... Tiana is totally fire though! And I think I might be earth, rather... though maybe I should save that discussion for the future poll.
My feelings for Alred are purely of the "what a darling" nature. My only Alred-related fantasies involve demonstrating the wonders of modern technology, and practicing my Old English with him.
However, though I won't say (and prefer not to think about) how physical my feelings for my characters may be, they are truly not just Sims to me. The Sims are just actors playing their roles. You know? They're alive in their way. But I admit, this story would not at all be what it is without the Sims.
Totally. It could stand
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 13:55.Totally. It could stand alone, or very nearly, but the pictures make the characters that much more real. The game is a writer's dream, as it's as close to making one's characters real as you can ever get.
I think I made a comment at one point that I would be water nature - for one thing, I've always felt very connected with water (even though I'm a terrible swimmer...) always loved my baths, swimming, etc., and have been scared of fire my whole life. On the other hand, I could see myself being attracted to another "water" type. But Cat and Paul are both fire, so I guess that can happen.
Do you love your bafs,
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 14:02.Do you love your bafs, Cassie?
There again I would have to say I'm more of the earth nature type... thinking over water and fire and so on, what really speaks to me is light, and colors of light, and shades of light, and shadows and darkness and stars, and so forth. So since light and air have the same nature (except for Araphel and Liadan's brand of light), that would make me earth. Also, I really do want to make out with Lar.
I guess that is answering the question of how physically I think of my characters.
I guess it does! But I do,
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 14:07.I guess it does! But I do, too. I can't blame Dantalion for trying to get busy with him...
To bring it back on topic *cough* I probably am physically somewhere between Sigrid and Wynflaed, interestingly enough, since I find similarities in their personality and mine as well, as previously mentioned. I'm considerably more fair-skinned than either of them, though. My coloring is nearer Rua's, though my face is not, tragically.
Back on topic, this has been
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 14:22.Back on topic, this has been a really trippy and fascinating thread, at least for me. Trying to imagine you all... seen through the prism of the characters in my own story, which is already a creation of my own mind. If I ever go completely crazy and start believing this is all real, and the real world is a dream, you are all partly to blame.
It is also really incredible to think that there are real people out there (you are real, aren't you??) who would actually spend so much as a second wondering which of these Creations of My Own Mind they most resemble... trippy trippy. Writing is cool but being read is ever so much cooler.
I would imagine...people
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:12.I would imagine...people you've never met analyzing themselves in respect to the fantasy world of your own creation...
Just think how you would feel if your readers started writing fanfiction!
Or slash fiction...
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 15:16.Or slash fiction... Dantalion / Lar or or I wot not what.
The thing is, in every story
Submitted by Sonia on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 17:48.The thing is, in every story read, Sims or not, someone will always see an element of themselves in at least one of the characters. Or at least snippets taken from several.
Even though this is based in Medieval England and technology was non existent, the human factor still remains. What happens now, could in effect, have happened all those years ago.
But with the distinct lack of medicines and other modern equipment, some ailments would have been regarded as witchcraft and other such beliefs.
There will always be the proverbial love triangles, it's something that you cannot escape. The bad guys running amok, the whole genre of feelings and emotions that we all have. Technology or evolution can't take that away from us.
Wow, I'd better sit down, getting really philosophical in my old age
It's funny you say that
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 17:59.It's funny you say that because I don't often see myself in (other peoples') characters. In fact... I don't think I ever have. It isn't what I look for I guess. Though I probably do respond to and identify with characters that resemble me more. One would think.
But also, when I dream, I rarely am involved in the action... my dreams are mostly like movies I am watching. So maybe I am just fundamentally not the type of person who tries to see herself in other characters.
Perhaps that detachment helps me create characters as I write? Perhaps not? You think you're getting philosophical?
Yeah, certainly the compelling parts of this and any story are the eternal and unchanging human element. Love triangles and jealousy and ambition and all that. Having it set in a distant time and place, and especially involving elves and other fantasy elements, does however allow me to explore some themes that I wouldn't necessarily have the courage to do from modern times, or that would make other people uncomfortable to read. It's easier to read about Aia the kisór elf than Ayah the field slave in 1820's Virigina, for example. And genocide, ooooh...
Dear me! Yes...with the
Submitted by Cassie on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 18:03.Dear me! Yes...with the elves we get such big, heavy issues of genocide, right and wrong, class wars, debilitating prejudice, and so forth. But since it's set in a different time - and elves as opposed as people - it's easier to deal with. The distance makes it easier.
Sorry...I'm an English major, I can't help it.
English major! *points*
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 02/26/2008 - 19:59.English major! *points* Busted! You go stand with Cearbhaill over there.
Sometimes I wish I were just doing a story all about the elves, because there's so much potential right there already. Oh the backstory I would love to fill in!
But on the other hand having the humans around is kind of cool. They are a third party that can stand around and say, "I don't get it... you all have pointed ears, so what's the problem?" And that's cool because it points out both the absurdity of some prejudices, and at the same time the stupidity of third parties who stand around and (well-intentioned or not) "just don't get it" when there's actually a very long and subtle and complicated and intertwined history of two peoples that has led to a vicious low-grade genocidal war. Happens all the time.
Wow... this has certainly
Submitted by Verity on Thu, 02/28/2008 - 11:49.Wow... this has certainly turned into quite a discussion. It is kind of weird... I feel like I spend so much time chatting with all you guys and I barely know anything about you. Well... now we know sort of what kind of characters we a bit like We should have a convention or something one day! Or that field trip to Lothere that was mentioned ages and ages ago on Lothere Verso. I can tell you all about the rocks
But I didn't ever answer which character I was like personality-wise. I think I am a bit Hetty in that I am always so terribly worried about whether people are upset... I feel like I am constantly tuned in to if I am insulting or embarassing someone or saying the right thing which honestly is a bit wearing and I wish I didn't do it so much. And I worry about other people being unhappy and upset and I want people to have a good time. I am Gwynn in that I am a total sighing over-the-top romantic who believes (again even though for a while I didn't ) in true love. I am a bit Lili or Mouse because I am quite naughty and incredibly silly. And I am also a little bit Alred sometimes in the trying to be poetic and well-read (although I fail dismally) and depressive way. I guess I can also be a bit coarse like Matilda especially when I am drunk (or hanging around with the blokes on a drill rig
So I guess maybe that wasn't such a good answer because it seems I am all the characters to some extent Well not all but you know what I mean. I think that is one of the reasons we all love your story so much... there is so much in your characters that we can relate to.
I think I would implode if I
Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 02/28/2008 - 12:24.I think I would implode if I ever went to the Lake District now. Not only because I would be saying "Everything is so small! I can walk from Dunellen to Nothelm in 15 minutes!" My Lothere is four times the size. But I would surely love to go someday. If I ever get a chance I will let you know so you can meet me there!
But don't tell me about the rocks, Verity. I am always afraid you're going to read and say, "Ahem, there's no rock of that color in Cumbria." Or I'm going to compare Egelric's face to granite and you're going to be, "No, his face is really more like schist..." Which is maybe a type of granite for all I know. All I know is batholith!
A couple of times I have thought about writing you to ask geology questions, since a lot of writers have a slew of subject matter expert acquaintances that they ask questions of, but since this isn't a "serious" story I don't want to bother you with my silly questions. It would be kind of funny to have scientific precision on the rocks that go into the castles, and then have castles with 15th century architecture and Elizabethan furnishings.
I have often thought of Hetty in relation to you though. You always seem so worried about how everyone else is feeling, perhaps to the detriment of your own feelings. Which is kind of the opposite of me. Like I said, I'm mostly Egelric. Brutal, selfish Egelric.
Hmm. This is a fascinating
Submitted by Cearbhaill on Thu, 02/28/2008 - 21:57.Hmm. This is a fascinating thread. I'm clearly late to the party (damn computer blowing up.), so it was cool to read everyone elses. As for which character I most resemble... hmm. I don't know. I have fairly "traditional" Irish features. Pale ass, freckly skin. Brown hair (with some beautiful silver spread throughout since I was 14). Chameleon blue eyes that change to a greenish or grayish depending on my mood, or sometimes clothing. And well, sim-wise, I'd have to take advantage of some of Warlokk's bodyshapes to make myself realistic.
My personality however, is much easier to analyze. I see a lot of myself in Alred. I'm not at all outgoing, but around my friends I am told I'm humourous. I'm sensitive and empathetic, have my poetic moments and a penchant for languages (when I have the time to properly study and practice them). I'm also extremely depressive, melancholy and to use the same words as Cassie, self-loathing. I'm definitely my own worst critic. Everyone sees Alred as this friendly, joking, guy and that's how most people I know see me. Only those very close get to see the depressive side.
I also relate quite well to Egelric's withdrawal, and his fantastic sarcasm. Sarcasm is my middle name. I'd also have to say Hetty's shyness is something I relate very well with as well. Unless I am around people I am super comfortable with I don't say a word. And I'd also have to say I can easily relate to the Hetty and Lili moon/sun comparison. My younger sister was the one who stood out.
And I am not and was not an English major. I was an Elem/Special Ed major as an undergrad, and I'm getting my master's in teaching reading and language arts. But, uh, *coughs*I was thinking exact same thing Cassie said*coughs*
Physically, I don't resemble
Submitted by Lisa on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 12:40.Physically, I don't resemble anyone in Lothere. I'm simply not attractive enough to reside there.
I'm overweight, with very dirty, graying blonde hair. My eyes are bluish, green depending on the day. Everything about me is average.
Personality-wise, I don't know. I have depressive, almost suicidal days, I feel like I'm definitely second-best to my brother, but I'm not overly shy.
Oh no Lisa, don't say that.
Submitted by Sonia on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 14:43.Oh no Lisa, don't say that. You are your own unique person.
I used to feel the same way, but I started to deal with my lack of self confidence and now, I have a whole new outlook on life.
NEVER say you're second best, you have your own shining qualities. Nobody can take that away from you.
I'm overweight and have grey hair, but that doesn't stop me. (how else would you explain standing on a stage singing a terrible version of an Elvis song? )
LOL Sonia! Oh, Elvis. And I,
Submitted by Cassie on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 14:47.LOL Sonia! Oh, Elvis.
And I, though I am Alred-like in many positive ways (as I have admitted!) am also fragile, depressive, self-loathing, whiny, indecisive, frequently antisocial, and sickly. BUT I doubt I'd have the good stuff if I didn't have that bad stuff. Just like Alred.
*Big virtual group hug for all Lotherian readers*
Cearbhaill! Close enough.
Submitted by Lothere on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 15:24.Cearbhaill! Close enough. *points* Over there by Cassie. I'm going to stand here alone in my Computer Science corner and throw rocks back and forth with my nearest neighbor, Geologist Verity. Unless we have some other scientist types I don't know about.
Lisa, I don't think any of us are gorgeous enough to qualify for a role in Lothere, are we? Lar's gorgeous lip would curl if he ever got a look at the real me.
Otherwise in terms of personality comparisons I've not been the most self-flattering person either. :-/ As my husband says, albeit in French, I have the qualities of my faults. Probably all of us do. So if I take a second pass, I can say the intellectual, arrogant type leads to a certain amount of self-confidence, for example, and an ability to stand up for what I think. Sarcasm implies a certain amount of dry wit. Etc. So there's always the glass-half-full outlook on our faults. And I can say for sure that depression is not who we are. But it certainly does affect our outlook of ourselves, and of the fullness of our personal glass.
I'm in for a group hug even if am the Most. Awkward. Hugger. Ever.
Oh Lisa! I'm not really
Submitted by Verity on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 13:53.Oh Lisa! I'm not really attractive enough to reside in Lothere either... I think there are probably a very few people out there who really are. I'm not even attractive enough really to be able to make a sim of myself (I always try and they always end up looking much better than I actually do... at least my sim self sometimes makes the guys fan themselves ). And I definitely am not as skinny as Synne... like woah I don't think I ever have been. Who was it who said they would need a rengirl mesh... I think I would be needing one of those too if we are going to be realistic
I think you were right with the Hetty thing Lothere... sometimes I even worry that I have offended or upset people with what I write in my comments. I think I waste a lot of time worrying about silly things.
You made me laugh so much with schist comment! As if I ever would (and anyway... he's face really is more granitic, you wouldn't want to have a schisty face... very foliated so I guess a schist-like face would have lots of wrinkles (parallel to the compression axis...arg stop me now!). But seriously... I would never criticise anything you wrote about the geology or pictures or anything. I haven't even thought too much about the geology in mine (it is my time off from thinking about rocks I guess... I will get round to making a map of the island at some stage but at the moment everything is fairly localised... and there are parts that haven't been explored properly - as in they know there is a forest there but they haven't bothered to go into it. But if you ever do have any questions I would be totally happy to answer them (if I can) although I am unfortunately not much of an expert (and I do spend my days looking at one crystal of salt). But if you think of something or you are wondering which rock someone's face most resembles fire away .
Oh yeah... and I am up for
Submitted by Verity on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 13:55.Oh yeah... and I am up for both the big group hug and the rock throwing!
Sorry, Verity, it's the
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 14:53.Sorry, Verity, it's the programmer in me, but first I have to do this: ) ) Your comment contained syntax errors and did not compile.
Urgh, I never saw a mesh that would work for me. I am not overweight (nor Sim-skinny either) but I would have to do a bosom insufficiency dance if anything. I have a teen mesh top and woman mesh bottom. But those Sims are too darn skinny anyway! It's like virtual Barbies, totally ruining our self-esteem and messing with our body image, ladies. You have to think of this story like a movie, or more like a soap opera on TV... everyone is above-average beautiful (and rich and noble) for no earthly reason.
(And when I try to do an average, boring-looking Sim I end up with a Brude... or even an Ethelwyn. Or oh my God you should see Sigefrith's reeve who I just made yesterday... accidental PHWOAR!)
I would love to have more natural bodies (men and women) but I work with what I have. I should check out those RenGal meshes. The "fat" Sims are rather stupid-looking, since only certain parts of the body are made fat. Especially the males with just a big belly and scrawny arms and legs. I want to make Conrad slightly overweight but he looks so stupid with the default fat mesh, grrrr! Teen boys do not have beer guts like that, unless the rest of them is overweight too. And the bodybuilder meshes are too bulky, too, for anything but demons and blacksmiths. Leofric is too skinny.
It is so funny that the game prevents us from making Sims that are anything but supermodel gorgeous or Cleeve The Ugly Maid ugly.
Totally off-topic, but
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 20:24.Totally off-topic, but here's Sigefrith's as-yet-unnamed reeve, because I can't wait, and because I don't know whether he will play more than a background decoration role in the chapter in question.
Also some bonus cuuuute in the form of Leofric & Leila's last boy, Aering, who is now a page in Sigefrith's castle. You can't really see it in this picture, but when taking pictures for this chapter I noticed whoa he really has Leila's nose! I've already seen him grown up and he is totally phwoar-worthy, though, much more than his twin. Aefen looks rather wicked, though that can be good too. I just fear Sims 3 will be out by the time we get that far!
Royal Reeve Hereafter to Be NamedAering the page, at seven
Lisa, a pretty face means
Submitted by Cearbhaill on Mon, 03/03/2008 - 22:03.Lisa, a pretty face means nothing if all that's behind it is a vapid expanse. True beauty comes from the person inside the body. We're all unique and we all have something wonderful to add to the world around us. Caving to the crap that Hollywood and the media shove down our throats as "beautiful" is utter shit. Marilyn Monroe was the paragon of beauty in her day, but today she'd be considered fat. It's ridiculous.
And...
*pouts* But Lothere, I don't WANNA *stamps foot* go stand over there (sorry, I spent my day with 5-7 year old kids with Down Syndrome and ASD, err, Autism Spectrum Disorder)! I like it right where I am in the middle. Teaching is art and science. Too bad my sister and brother don't read or I could supply a chemist and a mechanical engineering student for your science types.
That reeve is quite yummy looking.
Oh, and I'm in for the virtual group hug.
Ooohh, can I join in the
Submitted by Sonia on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 00:16.Ooohh, can I join in the group hug too.
Bear in mind, that I have well built forearms (not quite Popeye but close) and would probably crush everyone here
I agree with Cearbhaill, he IS quite yummy.
Now I am going to be singing
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 05:45.Now I am going to be singing "I'm Sonia the Sailor-man!" in my head every time you comment, Sonia. Now you done it.
Cearbhaill, for that matter, programming is a sort of art, too. It can be quite creative. If it were simply science we would have already written programs to write all the programs we need, and the problem would be forever solved. So I'll stand in the middle. But I think Verity is going to have to stay where she is... I can't see the art in geology. She spends her days staring at a single crystal of salt, after all. Sounds more like a cult religion, actually.
No disrespect to teachers intended. My own mom was a teacher before she became a librarian. I merely noticed that you are one of the few people who comments on the writing as much as the story, and I know you have taken writing classes because I have already been jealous! So I got a whiff of English major.
And about the beauty thing... so true about Marilyn Monroe, and how soon we forget. Sometimes I look at photos of famous 19th century beauties and I think, "Really?" And sometimes I look in the mirror and think, "I have an awesome body... for 1924!" So unfair.
At least I didn't get a
Submitted by Verity on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 12:29.At least I didn't get a segmentation fault
No art in geology... bah... what a load of codswallop... have you ever seen what a single crystal of salt looks like under the scanning electron microscope (SEM) or the kikcuchi bands generated from a crystal lattice! (okay fine no... I guess not many people have (I am going to stand alone beside the wall now and cry), but nature is the most wonderful artist of all). I am going to have to put up some pictures for you somewhere (not sure Mhalwae is quite the place and I'm not sure how else to do it... I will find out and then you will see)!
Actually I can do it here... I found some links to kikuchi bands:
http://serc.carleton.edu/images/research_education/geochemsheets/ebsp.jp...
And just look at these SEM images... particularly the salt (although mine doesn't look quite as nice as that):
http://www.materials.drexel.edu/breger/images.asp?album=minerals
I can't help but be in love with geology on a small scale... everything is just so amazing.
And on a large scale... well:
http://www.terragalleria.com/pictures-subjects/geology/
But of course you were probably talking about an art-form so I went off on a rant for nothing (well cause I wanted to show you some pretty pictures and so I decided to interpret the comment overly literally How exactly are we defining art actually ? Technically then most things in geology aren't exactly exact science... we don't have a procedure for doing a lot of things. It is pretty creative problem-solving in geology too, there is a lot of art in interpreting this stuff... not to mention that we use a lot of programming to do our modelling. So we overlap... at the moment I am struggling with my C program and its multiple segmentation faults. But then of course I do think mainly geology is science... it is just often a very subjective science. Bah I am getting really bogged down now in my definition of art and science here... help me linguists help!
Although yes... when it comes down to it I am in a salt cult. Hehe it even rhymes.
*Steps down clumsily from high horse*
Now I can apologise for spamming your sims blog website with my random science junk I hope you can put my moment of madness down to the salt-staring and forgive me.
I am with you on the body built for another time. I would have done very well in the renaissance or some other time they wore dresses that were flattering for big boobs but hid a multitude of sins beneath gigantic skirts. Oh for a gigantic skirt.
And can I just phwoar cor blimey check out that nice reeve. He is quite something.
And I have just have to involuntarily shudder at Cleeve the Ugly Maid... urg what happened there. He can go and stand with Carmen the bug sprayer lady.
Did any of that comment even make the least bit of sense... bah... I blame red wine.
Oooh I really like the
Submitted by Verity on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 12:30.Oooh I really like the effect of three blushing smilies in a row. They all blush together. It is like an ultra-blush! Oh dear. I really am going to be quiet now.
They have you programming in
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 12:54.They have you programming in C? That is a bit heady. Geologists shouldn't have to manage memory allocation. Most programmers I know can't handle it. At my most recent uni, there was only one ordinary course in which a seg fault was even possible... the rest of the time everything was usually done in Java. Luckily I got in a ton of C programming at my previous school plus in my daily life. My husband is often asking me to port some small C program from one Unix to another... a lot of times due to seg faults.
So, having seen those photos I don't mind agreeing that geology has its artistic side... I adore that picture of "pyramind minerals"... so flowery and hippy-like... and it comes from the pyramids which is even more amazing. However, *ahem*, the artist in this case is God or Nature or whomever you prefer. Unless you're growing your own salt crystals for aesthetics!
If you stop by with a bottle of that red wine, we can discuss the difference between art and science, though I think it is far more a philosophical question than a linguistic one. (My husband can help with both the philosophy and the red wine if needed.) Though I can tell you that our usual working definition for art that the two of us often quote at each other is from Oscar Wilde: "The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless."
So, although it does not logically follow from that statement, perhaps if you admire your salt crystal intensely enough, it may be art after all.
I'm a little late on the
Submitted by Taryn on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 14:39.I'm a little late on the group hug, but I'll take it if its still going around
As for body shape, well, I'm tiny to say the least. So I'll probably be squished in the middle, at twenty something I still get asked for my ID in some places (can you believe , its shameful, you'd think my wrinkles would speak for themself). I guess I'm kinda tiny all over, small top, small bottom, small all over. At least being around my mom helps my esteem there, she's tiny to. And you should see my dad, he's huge , like mammoth huge. When I hug him, I hug his belly, no lies. I have scrawny little twig arms, and the legs to follow. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way self-conscious. I was in HIgh school, but got over it and decided that if you don't like me as I am then take a walk. But I'll admit that it took a while to get that attitude, with many tears.
On the topic of art, well, the statement 'all art is quite useless' could indeed be true. I studied photography and in our second year they decided that it would be a wonderful idea for us to include Art History into our syllabus, what a load of hoot. The huge, mammoth book could best be used for a doorstop. I mean, here I am studying photography and now I must learn canvas sizes of renaissance paintings, what paint was used, when it was painted, by who and why its still significant today, what sculptures were made of and blah blah etc. Not exactly photography material really.
I suppose, for art majors, all that stuff is interesting. But personally, I found it a bore
I was more interested in Photography History, duh, since it was my major. You'd think they'd have realized that. But who am I to argue with those art Dean's. At least I got through it all, luckily, since I almost fell asleep learning it all. Trust me, the book was about 15cm fat.
Personally, I find doing art in various formats to be far more interesting. I could be bias though, since its all I've ever done in life, doing art in one form or another. Messy business though
I'm going to play devil's
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 03/04/2008 - 17:51.I'm going to play devil's advocate and say your art history class probably did -- or should have done -- you some good, Taryn. If they really did have you memorizing canvas sizes that may be a bit extreme, but in painting especially, I am sure photography as an art form owes a lot to the history of painting. Composition, perspective, light, color... all things the painterly types had already been working away on for centuries. Also the role art plays in society, insofar as photography is art... or even insofar as it ain't, since a lot of old "art" had other functions than just the "useless" purpose of being hung on some rich patron's wall and looking pretty.
I don't think your interpretation of your massive art history book was what Oscar Wilde had in mind with the "all art is quite useless" quote. (It's from The Picture of Dorian Gray, to give it some context.)
Though, knowing Oscar Wilde, he would probably have agreed with you that all art history books and classes are quite useless as well.
True, very true. Photography
Submitted by Taryn on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 00:17.True, very true. Photography does owe its existence to Art since the first form of Photography was technically the 'pinhole'. But my interest was more for the invention of emulsion, and the use of light with it. As for having to learn the canvas size, it was really just so we knew the size of the painting, since in those days some of them were huge. In my hometown, Pietermaritzburg, our art museum has some of those paintings. And I cannot believe the size of some of them.
Paintings I can maybe understand including into the syllabus, but on top of all of those, we had to learn sculpture to. Now I understand that sculpture teaches us about form, especially the human forum since most of those sculptures were naked men sitting around. But I just found it terribly boring, in modern photography, those techniques aren't that useful anymore.
On reading my post I guess I kinda sounded like I thought the whole process was completely useless, sorry, not my intension. It did teach me some stuff, on a whole, it was somewhat interesting to a certain degree. But what I learnt, I cannot say I've used. Not even in other forms of art I've done. The placement and the use of light and objects, well, its kinda old school now. Using anything like that these days would only have the critics critisizing it to no end. But I will say that some of those painting are extremely beautiful, and I'm duelly impressed with the work that has gone into them.
Maybe it was just the text book size, thats the biggest text book I've ever come across And to be honest, I can't even remember most of it
Wow, so many science type
Submitted by stacysaurus on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 01:01.Wow, so many science type peoples who read Lothere!!! Can I start a little group with Taryn... who I guess is closest with her photography I was an Animation major (both 2d and 3d) although I've dropped that career to join the Air Force. Anyone here in the military? *crickets chirp* Anyway, everyone in animation (actually I think all the majors had to... even Culinary Arts, haha) had to take the single art history class we had. And it was POINTLESS. I think if we actually learned the techniques like you did, then maybe it would have been useful. But all we studied was the symbolism in the paintings and sculptures, and it's not like we would be using any of that.
Oh man the fat mesh in the game has ALWAYS bothered me. It just looks so weird... and I wish I could have characters that just have like a thick frame or something. Especially for the guys!! They always look so thin to me (well, they all do, I guess)
For body shape I always thought I had all the worst qualities combined together Broad shoulders, non-existent waist, hella flat chest, but then really wide hips wtf!! My best quality is my thin wrists but that just makes the rest of me look disproportionate! Haha. In my family, I have the thickest frame, so they always make me carry the heavy stuff even though my male cousins (and even my little bro) are way stronger than I am. Similar to Lothere, sometimes I look at pictures of those old Greek sculptures of Aphrodite and such and I'm like "Oh I totally have that body!" haha.
That reeve, he has a beard that looks too tempting to pull.
Alright, after thinking long
Submitted by Nimue on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 09:41.Alright, after thinking long and hard about this I finally came to an answer.
Physically, I think I am somewhat of a mix between Aia, Wynflaed... and Nimea. Strange, right? Well the dark hair and eyes is accurate, but I am somewhat taller than many of the characters. Obviously I do not have elf ears or silver hair, but something in Nimea sparks recognition.
Personality wise however, I am closest to Hetty. Still, even her personality I need to mix with someone like Sigrid's. Relatively quiet, sometimes painfully too empathetic, yet strong in my own right. Still, I doubt I could be that brave.
As for my major, I am actually doubling in a biological science and...English.
And finally, I would like to say that even though I do not comment too much I lurk unceasingly, and it is great to get to know everyone through these forums. The story, the people (real and fictional), the authoress...everything makes me smile.
Nimue, you can come stand
Submitted by Lothere on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 12:34.Nimue, you can come stand right next to me... not that I have taken English classes, but the fact that I am writing this story puts me in the half-English half-science camp, I think. I am sure you are doing yourself a favor... so many science types can't write worth crap, so good English and writing skills can really give you a leg up in your career. At least in CSc.
But I wonder what inspired you to make that decision? Couldn't decide between two things you loved? Or didn't like the career options of an English major and added a fall-back biology major instead? Or... ooh! maybe you want to be someone who writes about science, that would be one of the coolest jobs.
And to you, Stacy, I want to paraphrase Alred and say,"Symbolism is not only something to be studied, dear Stacy, but to be lived." It makes me cry ==> <== to see people complaining about "having to study" something that they "never ever use in real life". Maybe I'm some kind of egghead intellectual, but I would study forever if I could (rather than live real life, I suppose you could argue).
I have never regretted any classes I took or "had to take", even super-dry, super-hard chemical engineering stuff like transport phenomena. (Because now I know why ketchup is so hard to get out of the bottle, or at least it was back in my day before they invented those upside-down squeeze bottle things.) I never "got to take" art history or any English classes besides basic English comp and technical writing. So I envy you all with your 20-pound glossy-paged art history books. Envy!
I would study forever if I
Submitted by Cassie on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 13:10.I would study forever if I could, too. (Which is why I go to Smith College. And am an English major...who may be an art history double major or minor...)
Real world? Jobs? Buh! Who wants that anyway?
That Smith College??
Submitted by Lothere on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 13:14.That Smith College??
LOL. Yes. **THAT** Smith
Submitted by Cassie on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 13:19.LOL. Yes. **THAT** Smith College.
See, I'm a nerd true and true. Oh, Smith. Study, study, work, and study.
At least you are a liberal
Submitted by Lothere on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 13:24.At least you are a liberal arts nerd, which ought to save you from the additional stigma of geekhood.
True. It's still nerdiness
Submitted by Cassie on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 13:30.True. It's still nerdiness though, believe me. Just a different breed.
Well, part of it was that I
Submitted by Nimue on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 15:38.Well, part of it was that I could not decide which I liked better, and to be honest I also realized that I could not do much besides teach with an English degree. The larger part was that I realized I want to go into medicine, so my major does not matter so much, and I might as well do science, seeing as med. school requirements overlap anyway. But, if I do not get in, I will always have something I enjoy to fall back on.
Writing a story for this long and this well definitely gets you on the English side, I would say. I suppose our brains just work interestingly, half and half.
Ahh, medicine! Why didn't I
Submitted by Lothere on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 18:13.Ahh, medicine! Why didn't I think of that? I knew a lot of pre-med students who were majoring in chemical engineering with me as undergrads. It seemed like the weirdest thing to me at the time. I would prefer to think that the surgeon who is operating on me studied biology or something, rather than, I don't know, thermodynamics like we were studying. "This patient's entropy is rapidly increasing!"
But I guess if the major doesn't even matter... might as well study something you like.
However, if those kids were taking chemical engineering because they liked it then I think I still don't want them operating on me. Give me a former English major any day.
Yeah, my roommate is
Submitted by Cassie on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 18:34.Yeah, my roommate is pre-med, and she's a physics major. That SCARES ME. But I also know a pre-med student who is an English major... *shrugs* This is why college is awesome. Of course, English majors can go into law, too.
I love the strange tangents this thread, in particular, goes off on.
Sorry!!! To the symbolism
Submitted by stacysaurus on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 03:32.Sorry!!! To the symbolism thing. It's not that I think it is pointless itself (because I think it is important) but for people in the animation industry you're really only having to to what the client tells you to do. Often people would add in random things and it would just create a lot more work for yourself, and you'd lost time and money. So I'm sorry if you thought I was saying symbolism isn't important!!!! (totally not the case!) Sometimes you'll get to put in some fun things though, especially in games.
Is it really true that a lot of scientific types can't write... I don't believe it after reading some of the stories you guys have!!! Haha. Well, I certainly can't write at all. I like to read... and think of concepts. But when it comes to putting them into some order that makes sense, it just isn't happening
edit: Oh man I still feel so bad still about the symbolism thing!! Don't cry!!!!!! I should have explained the situation that was going on at the school better. But it is a long and boring story that will probably not make sense with my rambley way of speaking (typing?)
But yes! I do <3 studying. But definitely NOT when.. all that crap that was going on over there is happening. If I had the money I would totally study forever. I really want to learn a bunch of different languages. Among other things~
*sniffles and dries
Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 06:00.*sniffles and dries tears*
Actually you don't have to agree that symbolism is important. That's another philosophical debate to be had around a bottle of red wine. Perhaps nothing means anything. But pro-symbolism is the position I have chosen however. It should be evident if you have read this story, but it's also how I live my life.
Everyone needs some sort of logic or set of rules for determining how they live, how they make decisions, etc., right? And it just so happens that mine consists of letting Destiny work things out for me. And how do I expect Destiny to communicate with me? Through symbols. Don't know who to ask for directions? The lady with a sunflower on her totebag must be the one. Don't know which job offer to take? The place where the acorn fell on my head when I came out of the interview must be the one.
It is not always convenient because sometimes Destiny tells me something I don't want to hear, but I listen, and Destiny has been very good to me so far. As long as you don't struggle against it, you can ride it on like a wave. Between Destiny planning ahead for me and my guardian angel protecting me *knock on oak wood* life is pretty good.
So if you were watching my life like a movie, at least in a film crit class, you would be saying Ah! another sunflower. (With optional eye-roll.) Symbolism, baby. I may be a half-scientific type, but the meanings I attribute to everything (and everything has meaning in my world) comes from the poetry-half. Alred is me as far as that is concerned.
So I understand what you're saying about clients not being interested in you inserting symbolism and "art" into their animations -- you're just an animation monkey from their POV, OK. I write code for a living after all. But lift your head and look around, and don't let them suck the meaning out of everything.
I don't want to make you cry about making me cry ==> <== It's just the sort of conversation that really does benefit from being debated in person, preferably with that bottle of red wine, because I am not always so good at putting things in an order that makes sense either. Sometimes I just want to evangelize a bit...
"Look, everybody! We're living in a poem!"
*joins in the group hug* I
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 11:10.*joins in the group hug*
I really didn't make myself clear in my comparison. In a backwards way, I was comparing my personality to Hetty in that in my family, my brother is the golden child and I'm still in the dark. Mostly, I've come to terms with it.
As far as Hollywood glam, I don't want to starve myself to be "attractive" or "sexy". Since I'm now 40, I just want to be healthy.
Stacy, I was in the Air Force.
I'm not sure where I should stand. I'm not artistic, but I'm not overly scientific either. I did enjoy the logic of trying to write programs. I consider myself to be a family/knowledge sim.
That last reply was me.
Submitted by Lisa on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 12:11.That last reply was me.
Wow, I love hearing so much
Submitted by Karen on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 12:25.Wow, I love hearing so much about everyone!! I love this forum; it's a lot of fun to hear about what others think about the characters and the story. And Lothere is going to have to send me to a corner to stand with all the other English majors. I majored in English, received my Masters of Arts in Teaching, taught for one year, and then quit because I hated it. Now I'm an editor for a government agency and I'm happy to report that I never notice any grammatical errors, Lothere. Good work!
Ooh, Lisa, I guessed that
Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 13:23.Ooh, Lisa, I guessed that was you but I was afraid to ask for confirmation and be wrong. I can see the Hetty relationship. I think Hetty is very accepting of the situation, too... though it may be because the situation has taught Hetty that she truly is second-best and shouldn't expect any better. It's sad, inside of stories and out. Especially since we know that Hetty -- and I suspect Lisa too -- are deserving of happiness as they are.
I never would have guessed that 2 among you are/were in the Air Force, in such a small set of people. Nor the range of things people have studied or are studying. I love how this thread has evolved into Tell us about yourselves.
Karen I think I would love being an editor, I am such a grammar-lover. Not to say I don't make mistakes... but I am happy you haven't found any. Except in comments... though I admit sometimes I force myself to say "who" instead of "whom" just so I don't sound so affected.
It is a funny thing about computer scientists, actually... although not many of them write fiction at all, there is a definite subset (usually the smartest) of them that are passionate lovers of language and ways to play with it. I think there is some linguistic center of the brain that is also tickled by programming languages, which is how people like me end up standing in two corners, as it were.
I'm not sure how Verity manages fitting both Mhalwae and geology in one cranium however.
I can't make my family
Submitted by Lisa on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 13:31.I can't make my family realize that their "golden child" is nothing but an asshat, they have to come to that realization on their own, so I have accepted that aspect of our relationship.
They do know now, that in a crisis I'm the one to handles things.
Hehe, no worries, I do like
Submitted by stacysaurus on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 17:36.Hehe, no worries, I do like symbolism, but I have trouble finding it in words (I think I said before that I don't really read poetry much or something like that); I am better with it in pictures. But I guess that would maybe be obvious Anyway for how you live your life... I think it's really great to see how people view life and how they should live it, or how they see things. Everyone is so different!! And then it also gets jumbled up into the way I do things, and everything is changed. Then I like to think about what it would be like if I never met that person, or something like that. I <3 daydreaming... but people complain I sometimes do it too much. Well I guess it's kind of rude to be in conversation with someone and then your eyes suddenly glaze over as you're thinking of other things And boy did I go super rambley here.
Do (or did you) you find it difficult to switch from a "logical" and "creative" approach to things? In high school I was definitely more scholarly and hardly took any art classes. And math was my favorite subject, haha. So when I started college I had a really hard time shifting from doing things the logical way and having everything "make sense" (like measuring proportions or something like that) to just being able to see things and uhm... Well, I'm not explaining myself very well! But I hope you know what I mean. So sometimes I feel like I'm stuck in the middle and never really able to go far in one way or another.
Oh, there are a lot of Hettys here!! I never even really thought about the sibling relationship thing but now that you guys mention it I guess I had that too. I was supposed to be a boy (the first born son! Carrying on the name!!) but then I turned into a girl... somehow? O.o So that was a big disappointment to my family! And then my little brother was born, and in the Year of the Dragon no less!! Luckily in the past few years all of that has died down. I still don't really know which Lothere character I would resemble in personality.
Lisa, did you enjoy the Air Force? I'm also surprised there are 2 AF people (Actually I haven't gone through Basic yet... so I guess I don't count!). I maybe expected like someone from Army or another branch.
Boy, I was supposed to go grocery shopping and instead I'm here Eek!
Okay... I'm not sure if I
Submitted by Verity on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 08:47.Okay... I'm not sure if I can remember everything I wanted to say... there have been sooo many comments since I last checked in.
First of all I am totally up for red wine/philosophy... next time I'm in the area maybe (or the first time since you live in an area I have never been to before . Or if you ever come Stockholm/Sydney . Actually speaking of red wine and wine in general my mum (a dietician) told me there is a heart specialist whose studies indicate that it is very good for you to have a glass of wine (red or white) or beer a day. I of course, celebrated by having two or more the last three days (whoops... but I had celebrations to attend so it wasn't my fault). Finally... I am no longer an alcoholic for having the occasional glass of red (well maybe slightly more than occasional) but now a healthy heart-conscious person
Okay what else... erm... the Mhalwae/geology thing. Ummm... well lets see. When I was at school science wasn't actually my best subject. I got excellent grades in English and Ancient History which were much more my thing to be honest but I did really love science (in particular geology and biology). When I started at my uni I was actually double-majoring in science/arts because I wasn't sure which direction I wanted to go in. I was thinking archaeology actually (maybe I have watched too much Indiana Jones) or epidemiology (as in microbiology major). But in first year I kind of took geology on a whim and fell in love with it deciding to quit the arts half on my major (which I am sad about in a way because it would have been fun but then I am one of those people who believe that if I had changed even one tiny thing I would have never met the love of my life so thank goodness I did butterfly effect and all).
So... there you go... my academic history. Sorry for rambling. So I guess what I am trying to say is that I have quite I heavy slant (tilt?... arg stop me now... I have been looking at crystallographic tilt walls all day... please don't ask) towards writing. And of course my ultimate dream job is to be a travel writer so... who knows, maybe when I finish the PhD I will give that a shot for a little while and see if I can actually do it before I start something else.
Wow... an acorn really fell on your head and that is why you chose your job! That is awesome. I guess I am starting to believe in fate and destiny more these days but I hadn't ever noticed any particular symbolism popping up in my life (well maybe the number 23 and golden apples! anyone else read the Illuminatus Trilogy? gotta love a book that is written from the authors idea to merge all the silly conspiracy theories that people write in to Playboy magazine. Very weird though. Very very weird. As a warning some very strange sex scenes but iin general a very very cool book. But since then I really think the number 23 appears a lot more than it should. And I thought that before Jim Carrey did not that I have seen that movie actually.
But with the destiny/fate thing... I was in Latvia in this national park with a friend and he took us to these stairs and he said that there was a superstition that if you walked down them counting as you went in your head and got the right number then you could make a wish. I got the right number and I did. I wished that my life would be more romantic. I didn't care how... anything could have changed for me I had gotten so stuck in a rut that I didn't believe romance even existed any more and all you could ever have if you were lucky was contentment (and I wasn't very lucky because what I had was a very yelly very bad relationship that was dying so hard my ex-boyf now thought we should see other ppl while I was away travelling) Great passion did not exist for me. I didn't even know it could. And then I end up a few weeks later having some movie romance that 2.5 years later is still the best thing ever. WIth someone who is as far away from my home as I could get unless I lived in Fiji. And then a PhD that I really want to do pops up in the place I really want to go and I actually get it and they pay me and give me a visa. I am now a firm believer in fate and romance and the lot
Alright... this comment is overly long and I am probably boring you all with my silly stories about myself. But I am really enjoying hearing more about all of you guys... getting to know the person behind the comments and such a bit. I'm off for my nightly glass of red (well slightly more... going out for a dinner)
Stacy, just like with any
Submitted by Lisa on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 09:27.Stacy, just like with any other job/career, there were things I like and thinks I hated. The last years were bad for me. It was during the 2nd Clinton administration at a C-130 base and I hated the threat of constant deployment. I was so worried about being shipped overseas for a year and leaving my little girl behind right as she was to start kindergarten that I had an anxiety attack every morning on the way to work. Also, I was stationed in the middle of the Bible belt and was ostrasized for being a single mom by co-workers.
I definitely like my life better now.
Because my essay has
Submitted by Seiza on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 23:20.Because my essay has remained a vague skeletal outline for the past 3 hours, it's time for some Lothere. *cracks knuckles*
First off-- I do NOT look like Belsar. XD
I'd say that, based on origins alone, I probably physically resemble Leila more than anyone-- the darker complexion, mostly. Maybe the eyes. I have big eyes for my race (or ethnicity, whichever term you prefer). It's a no-brainer that I'm nowhere as slim or pretty, having my curves in all the wrong places, if you will. So, Leila it is. Everyone else is too European or redheaded or blond-haired for me. XD
I've only been able to give it about five minutes of thought, but I think I'm a mix of all the worst aspects of teen!Dunstan-- the dispositon for angst, the petty jealousy, the poetic-poser (adult!Dunstan will probably grow into a real poet like his dad, though). But I tend to bounce back pretty fast. I can get ferociously angry and sad for a time, but it does not seethe and build inside over weeks and months. I hold to the adage, "Do not go to bed unhappy."
I also like to make fun of myself and everything else (so don't be put off if I mercilessly tease your favourite character-- it's because I care ). I tried to think of a Lotherian character who could do that, and I came up with Paul and his self-goat jokes. But he might only be able to laugh at himself if it's with Vash. But I couldn't think of other characters who...
....Oh! Mouse! Yes!
(And on the old subject of symbolism, I would love to take Art History to learn how it was used. I just love the "ohhhhh" feeling that comes about when a particular symbolism is pointed out. XD)
I look a lot like Elfleda in
Submitted by Jadzia7667 on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 07:43.I look a lot like Elfleda in terms of coloring. I don't look like anyone in Lothere in terms of facial features. Personality wise, I'm the one sitting in a corner reading and not speaking up unless it's a very special occasion. It takes me forever to get comfortable enough to comment. Maybe that's most like Hetty?
Hi everyone! This is a great
Submitted by Alice on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 20:41.Hi everyone! This is a great topic for us to talk about ourselves and get to know each other. Personality-wise, I'm probably most like Mouse, or maybe Lili. I have a great sense of humour and I'm an optimist. Sometimes, I use it as a shield against my insecurities. I resemble Margaret or Aia the most in colouring, but my facial expression is a lot like Mouse's, since I'm always smiling. I'm training to be a pharmacist right now. So I guess that kind of makes me similar to Elfrida? It's great reading about everyone! Your story is simply amazing, Lothere. I must say that it made me procrastinate shamefully for my finals (in that respect, I remind myself of Lili).
Oh dear... I can't decide
Submitted by PenelopetheFox on Sun, 04/27/2008 - 05:08.Oh dear... I can't decide which of the characters I'm closest to in personality. Probably Matilda, I'm pretty crude and straight-forward. Spent my entire life as the only gal admitted into all-boys circles... That sort.
As far as my looks are concerned, slap a pair of glasses on Cat and you have me. My hair is shorter and lighter, my skin is a shade darker but otherwise she looks a lot like me.
And I have to go stand in the English major corner. I get my degree in Creative Writing and Francophone Studies next month.
Reviving this thread after a
Submitted by Sofie on Sun, 09/07/2008 - 13:31.Reviving this thread after a few months, but it was a good thread with lots of side tracks (hmm, does that expression even exist in English? Oh well, I hope you understand even if it doesn't) and I wanted to comment on so many parts of it.
Personality wise, I'm a 5 parts Sigi, 3 parts Mathilda, 2 parts Hetty mix, I think. I'm sort of quietly strong like Sigi, and often hang out with lots of men, which I believe shaped both Mathilda and Sigi's characters more than one would think. I'm silly and flirty like Mathilda, and I do like my wine and I understand her selfconsciousness, and her affair with Leof even though I hate her for it (the affair, that is). The Hetty part of me is the one I like the least. The slightly naive woman who worries about everyone and everything. Sometimes I wake up by some noise in the middle of the night, my heart racing and the one thought that runs through my head is "We're at war! ". And I live in Sweden. We haven't been at war for almost 2 centuries. It makes no sense at all, but it happens maybe once every two months or so. I also avoid being rude to people (okay, not everyone, mostly the creepy loner geeks) who deserve it because I live in fear of someone turning psycho and going on a hunt for all the people who have been mean to him/her. Oh well, enough about my paranoia. I just don't often tell people about this, so this was a chance to get it off my chest.
Physically I look a bit like Margaret with hair that is golden brown and a nose I have yet to see on a SIM. I don't like my nose. And my eyes are not as beautifully big. And of course my body is nothing like anything seen in Lothere, but I'm not too overweight either. I just have too much tummy and too much chin.
Going off into one of the side tracks: I can come and stand in your corner Lothere! At least in a corner of your corner. I'm a computer science major, but unfortunately one of those scientists that can't write at all. But i love to read.
One an other note, this thread has been interesting to read, because I've gotten to know Verity better. I always liked you Verity, but it's so strange to read your comments here and discover that we're more alike than I knew, and probably than I would have learned for a while yet, if I hadn't read this. Then again, you're the reason I'm here, you got me hooked!
Okay, enough of my ramblings.
No, one more thing. It's been said before, but this really is the nicest forum ever. Not a troll in sight.
This was an interesting
Submitted by Rebecca on Mon, 09/08/2008 - 11:25.This was an interesting thread. I didn't really know very much about everyone here since I am *new*! But now I feel as if I know a little bit about each of you. To start on topic, I resemble Maud physically: sort of a more rounded face, very pale, dark wavy, hair (mine is closer to black, though). My eyes are a greenish-grey colour, so those aren't the same, either.
But my personality is Gwen. Almost entirely Gwen, with maybe a hint of Mouse and Lili. Gwen is nearly a perfect copy of me when I was 13: romantic, soft-hearted, and silly. Naturally, I love her to death!!!! I am really very excited to see how she grows up. I want to see if Gwen at 20 is as close to me at 20 as she was to me at 13.
Mouse is on the list because we share the same 'better to laugh than to cry' philosophy and Lili because of her love for languages and general cleverness. Also, although it is not as pronounced in my family as it was for poor Hetty, I am the Lili of the family, and even within my social circle.
And since people are trudging off into corners, I suppose I must throw myself into the English corner, although it is not English that I study, but French.
Haven't even read up to half
Submitted by Miriam on Wed, 09/24/2008 - 06:51.Haven't even read up to half of it ... I did read a few things from the future first but wanted the past to understand more so I'm not even halfway through. Till now I haven't found anyone who in looks or personality looks like me...
But there are a few things like some people in there I share my birthday with <3... but that's all I know up to now ... ^^;
According to my stats, I've
Submitted by Van on Wed, 09/24/2008 - 21:36.According to my stats, I've had an account for over two weeks now, so it's probably about time I posted something on the forum.
The character that physically resembles me most would probably be Britamund (only she's much prettier than I am). Personality-wise, I guess I'm a lot like Iylaine, stubborn and with a violent temper. Of course, there is some Gwynn in me, as well as Margaret. On my more immature days, I am also somewhat similar to Emma, with my mind stuck in the gutter.
I think I can find something I have in common with every character in this story, actually. That's one of the reasons the story is so powerful and addicting--the characters are so easy to relate to. Of course, the awesome writing and beautiful pictures help too
Woah Sofie! Hello! I didn't
Submitted by Verity on Thu, 09/25/2008 - 14:18.Woah Sofie! Hello! I didn't twig that you were reading because I have been so off the radar. Like seriously off the radar if you read the whole of Lothere's blog... I have started you on a whole world of sims blog addiction haven't I *looks sheepish*. It's good to see you here though . I obviously haven't been paying enough attention and then I saw that a Sofie was commenting on the main page and I was thinking it might be you. It is king of weird reading your comments hear too... we need to get to know each other better in RL!
So we really need to catch up! We will do dinner now that you are done with the zero-graders thing and both Jesper and I are in Stockholm for the whole of October... wheee! And we can play Settlers of Catan (oh that sounds rather strange in context of the character.... erm. Let's leave that one to Paul and stick to the board game shall we).
And sorry Lothere for using your page as event planner (yay for the three blushies... I am still excited). I have been trying to catch up on the main page before I came over here but I couldn't resist. I was hoping someone would be in the chatroom from which I have been rather absent (extremely absent seeing as I have only been in it twice and I assume usually it is full to the brim with Lothere fans). Doh to having different hour than everyone else.
Hi Verity! *waves happily*
Submitted by Sofie on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 04:17.Hi Verity! *waves happily*
Yes, you certainly have got me caught in the sim-blogosphere. But don't worry, I like it here. We do need to catch up! Will I see you at the party tomorrow maybe? Then we could plan another dinner or so, and won't have to defile this lovely forum with our plans. But I'm guessing we'll definitely talk about both Lothere and Mhalwae when we meet IRL next time.
I'm waaay too late for the
Submitted by maruutsu on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 23:06.I'm waaay too late for the group hug, but I'll join in anyway. *hugs*
I think the characters I resemble the most, both in looks and personality, are Maud and Margaret. I have dark brown, wavy hair that ends in curls and ringlets; brown eyes; and very pale skin.
On less superficial matters, this line where Sigefrith compares Eadie to Maud rings so true to me:
Okay, so I didn't look up the actual quote... But it was something like that. I remember it rang true to me because I'm not one to be humble and sweet like Eadie, but instead I'm
defiant and rebellious and proud. I do have my good qualities, though. I guess I'm smart, though not at all practical like Margaret is. And unlike Margaret, I'm very weird about my social life. I can be social and outgoing and bubbly, but I prefer to be by myself. I also have a sharp sense of humor, a tendency to enjoy arguments (I love discussions!), and to state my opinions and scandalize my elders... So I suppose I'm more like Alred and Kraaia in that regard. Odd combination.
I've always been the outsider among my peers, and for that I relate to Gwynn the most. *hugs her*
Well, there's some information about me that you didn't care to know . It was fun reading about everybody else's, though.
And it's so true about Maxis stick-thin, Barbie bodyshapes. :rolleyes: Might I add, I'm not like that at all. I'm more... Matilda-shaped. But with less bosom, I think. XD
As for the concept of beauty over time, I think I would have been considered a great beauty in the 19th century. Or maybe in the Romans' time, given my nose. (I've got the profile you see in ancient Greek and Roman coins, I swear)
I don't know where I should stand. I studied Humanities in high school (don't ask, we have a weird school system here), and I'm thinking of becoming a translator or a dimplomat, so where does that leave me?
*begins new group
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 05:32.*begins new group hug*
You're probably thinking of the scene in "Sigefrith and Eadgith exchange secrets":
I love how you are catching up with old-but-still-fun forum topics. *points discreetly towards member photos thread*
This room has four corners so you can always start a new one.
Ah, I like this thread! I
Submitted by Lydia on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 17:55.Ah, I like this thread! I don't know which Lotherian I resemble physically...it's so hard for me to see resemblances to myself in others because I don't feel like I have distinctive features. People do comment on my paleness like they do about Stein!
Personality wise, I think I might be a lot like Ogive. I'm smart but not always sure of myself in social situations. She's friendly to those who make overtures to her but doesn't seem like she seeks people out to be buddies with. I'm the same way. She observes everyone's interactions and has insight into people's motivations and feelings - I do that a lot, probably to the point that people would be surprised or uncomfortable with what I've figured out about them. I do not have a very political mind, but politics never really interested me. I belong in the science/engineering corner.
Can you tell I'm done with my re-read? I'm just hovering around at a loss again with no more chapters to click on! Let me say that again - I read the entirety of KoL TWICE.
Maruutsu, go to the member pics thread! I love that thread! More pictures!
I noticed you were getting
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 18:03.I noticed you were getting close to the end on your reread. That's two million words TWICE. I salute you! With a bunny! I haven't reread ONCE since the story was short enough that I could the whole thing on a lazy Saturday morning.
ETA: Ogive! Was Ogive even in the story when I answered this question? I can see myself in Ogive somewhat. Especially that whole intellectual rejection of the ideals of beauty, combined with an unhealthy obsession with body image. Just like 99.74% of erudite American females. I'm also interested in politics, but unlike Ogive I'm not the type who can spontaneously form intelligent opinions on the subject. I just like reading about it.
In a way though, that characterization is somewhat superficial. There is a little bit of me in all my characters, most likely. Even the ones I would prefer not to be associated with.
Even sexual predator Imin???
Submitted by Tiffany on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 18:26.Even sexual predator Imin???
Nyah, Imin's smarmy and all,
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 18:30.Nyah, Imin's smarmy and all, but I wouldn't call him a sexual predator. Save those words for the real monsters.
I find him both attractive and repulsive which is probably a hint that he's some kind of manifestation of some dark corner of my psyche.
Imin also likes poetry, so we can always say that's the part of him that's like me.
Imin not a predator? Yikes,
Submitted by Lydia on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 19:57.Imin not a predator? Yikes, tell that to poor Matilda!
We'll have to find another
Submitted by Lothere on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 20:17.We'll have to find another word for the likes of Ris and Dru then. They're much more predator-like to my mind. Literally hunters.
For Imin rape is more like... a weapon or a tool. He's not in it for the kicks. He seems determined to bring this war to the men. (Maybe he's still looking for revenge against Egelric for taking Sela away. Remember that's how the whole series of rapes that led to Gils's birth got started.)
Imin is a guerrilla fighter whereas Ris and Dru are serial killers. I'm not saying that excuses anything Imin has done, but the mindset is totally different.
But what the heck is up with
Submitted by Tiffany on Tue, 11/10/2009 - 03:36.But what the heck is up with Ris and Dru? Why are they serial killers???
Because they're psycho
Submitted by maruutsu on Tue, 11/10/2009 - 10:22.Because they're psycho serial killers?
OMG, I had *the* biggest deja-vu when I read your reply, Jenny.
Lydia, I have the same problem with my paleness. Everyone's always making fun of me for that
I forgot about Ogive! I'm also like her in a lot of ways, particularly her self-consciousness and how she never lets it show.
Lydia deserves a standing ovation! But we'll have to settle for the bunny dance. I don't think I could ever re-read KoL, but then again, I've just finished reading it, so the very idea of a reread is nightmare-inducing for me.
Lothere, I salute you as well for being the only English-speaking person that writes "guerrilla" correctly (that I know of).
*sneaks off to the photos thread*
It helps that "war" is
Submitted by Lothere on Tue, 11/10/2009 - 10:27.It helps that "war" is "guerre" in French.
*stalks photos thread*
Again, late to the party,
Submitted by Lisa on Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:21.Again, late to the party, but I heard on the radio the other day that due to the Twilight epidemic pale is in again! So for all of us who are pale, we're fashionable!