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Random question about Alred and Hetty
Submitted by maruutsu on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 06:14.
In Hedwige finds a small surprise, Hetty says to Bruni, right after finding Alred's poem:
“I think we shall be happy!”
The sad irony of that statement got me thinking, but my comment got too spoilery so I'm posting it here instead.
Anyway, what that made me think of, and the question here is, did you know back then that their [Alred and Hetty's] marriage/union/love was doomed? Or did you want them to be happy but things just sort of snowballed after that?
I do realize this has a lot to do with this thread, but I wasn't sure whether to post it there or not, and since it seems more random than relevant, to the Random Questions board it goes.
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Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 09:13.No, this question is coming from a different angle, so I think it's worthy of its own topic. Anyway, I like many smaller threads more than a few very long threads, especially when the thread has been dormant for a while.
Anyway! On to your question. When I planted the note for Hetty to find, I was expecting those two to marry, one way or another. I wanted Alred to marry again, and this seemed like an interesting way to bring it about. I don't know that I planned to make them live happily ever after, but I do know that I was never intending their marriage to go as sour as it did.
The thing with Leof's attraction for Hetty was a sudden inspiration of mine, which came up long after Alred & Hetty's marriage, and after quite a few charming little affectionate chapters between those two. So Leof himself was definitely not part of my original plans.
I don't even remember exactly how the attraction came up. The "Leofric has a wicked thought" chapter that introduced it -- it was a surprise even to Leof! -- hardly seems capable of standing alone without that element in it, so I must have had the idea before I took the pictures & wrote it. But the idea must have come quite shortly before I did that chapter.
It is quite possible that I wanted to introduce the birth of Leila's baby, and while looking for ways to work that into a chapter I thought "Hmm, Leof could pay a visit, and maybe Leia..." and things snowballed from there. Like many seemingly profound and carefully-plotted storylines in Lothere (*cough* Egelric and Maire), this one grew out of a single surprising incident and a whim.
Perhaps I should mention
Submitted by Lothere on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 09:30.Perhaps I should mention that I think Hetty's attraction to Leof predated Leof's attraction to Hetty. I don't have much evidence for that, other than the fact that she suspected Leof of fathering Flann's baby but just couldn't bring herself to believe it of him. She was already thinking of it in February, in "Flann scratches back":
Of course we didn't learn until months later, when Hetty asks him point-blank, that it was Leof she was thinking of that day. (And it does mean that I, myself, was at least unconsciously thinking of it at least that far back. Long before Leof had his first wicked thought.)
I rather suspect Leof was in Hetty's thoughts more than he ought to have been... He has an air of power and danger that she seems to find attractive, in spite of her dear, timid little self; and there is the extra fascination of him being the man who seduced Alred's first wife, leading to inevitable "What if? Would I?" daydreams that could, in the right woman, lead to outright fantasies.
The other evidence, of course, is Leof's amazement/amusement in "Leofric has a wicked thought" when he realizes the following:
If ever a man was capable of detecting when a woman is attracted to him, it is Leof. I daresay he made a scrupulous effort to block out all attraction-rays that might possibly be emanated by Alred's new wife, but on the first occasion on which he found himself alone with her, and forced to sit beside her and talk to her, he couldn't help picking up on them.
Yes, even from the very
Submitted by maruutsu on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 13:54.Yes, even from the very beginning Hetty's behaviour towards Leof (her body language in particular) was rather obvious:
They do have a lot of chemistry. (Yes, I'm team Leof / Hetty. )
However, it really is sad that two sensitive, affectionate people like Alred and Hetty have one of the most unhappy, in keeping with the time period marriages in Lothere. And it does seem like it's damaged beyond repair right now.
But anyhow, re-reading old Alred chapters, I get the impression that he's always been heading in this direction, and it was just a matter of how long it would take him to get there. So in that sense any (post Matilda) marriage he had would have gone awry eventually, I suppose. And Hetty's self-pity would eventually had caused her trouble as well. It definitely feels like they're reaching the climax to their own stories.
More proof that she was
Submitted by maruutsu on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 17:28.More proof that she was thinking of Leof even back then (from yet another comment that got too spoilery):
It's completely out of the blue, but she is comparing another man to her husband, so it has to be of some significance.