"They're dog-elves after all"
Finn better lose that mentality fast, if he was to ever call Wulf and Gils dogs I will flip out.
I believe Egelric would also flip out to, if he heard.

Why hasn't Vash visited Egelric yet, especially after Lili died?

Lothere do the maternity clothes for teens from Insimenator do they work properly and look good in the game?

Are we going to see a pregnant Cecily some time in the future?

I'm still not sure what I am going to do with Cecily. *checks Cecily poll* We'll probably see her at least once or twice again, but I doubt she'll be showing by then.

Tiffany, because I took those pictures when I was taking the pictures for this chapter, silly!

Technically she was, though she wasn't showing yet. I was just testing silly! I didn't want to make new dresses for her if the mesh didn't even work.

She just looks so radiant though doesn't she? to use the cliché? I can't wait to see her showing for reals.

You could even say she glows...

Meryt what would happen to Wulf and Gils if Egelric died?

Why not? Ok her house is small and doesen't have that much money but she is their mother's sister! If she marries well then they could live with her i think.

Well your kind of dropping hints of Egelric's demise so I am looking after the interests of Sela's children. And no offense to Hetty but any kin of Lili's raising Sela's children rubs me the wrong way. Alred and Hetty honestly would not be able to spend that much time with boys since they have their own children and problems with in their marriage.

This conversation is totally making me lol.

But none of that was Lili's fauuuult! *whines*

Well except for the sleeping with Egelric part, but who can blame her, really? Option One: Get shoved into a sack by Raedwald, carted off to Ireland where I must seduce someone or assassinate someone or otherwise be a tool in the twisted plots of that freckle-faced schemer. Option Two: Have sex with Egelric. No-brainer, really.

Yes sleeping with Egelric was the only option avaliable to Lili and if I was a woman and in her situation i probably would have done the same if there weren't any other better options.

I don't know why I resent her, none of what happened to Sela, is her fault but I still resent her. Just as how Iylaine resents Wulf and Gils' for their existence which is not their fault.

The same sort of thing she is usually up to. That's all I can say, for obvious reasons. (I.e. since you don't know what that is yet.)

Some elven ladies die in childbirth, but not often among the khírrón. We've already seen the kind of things Shus can do with his "magic" or other abilities in terms of patching people back up, so there are probably lots of otherwise fatal complications that the elves could solve that way. And obviously they can handle things like excessive bleeding or childbed fever. None of the elves get sick from germs very often anyway.

It's not the same among the kisór since they don't have magic for the most part, but they're a bit hardier than human women. They do still die sometimes.

As for the kisór gentlemen... uh, you forgot a verb? I assume you're asking if they're allowed to have mates or kids... and you must mean the servants of the nobles, since the only thing the rebels are "allowed" to do is die.

So, if you look at all the guys that are there now, not one of them has kids. One way or another, they're prevented from having families.

Apparently not through castration, though -- once in a while one will escape, and if they can get into hiding, they have families. I don't know how often it happened, but there was at least Val who pulled it off.

Os is a virgin, as was hinted in "Matilda has no idea", so even if he got into some "interesting adventures" since that chapter was written (which I doubt) it seems quite unlikely that it would have been with Aia.

He's just keeping his farm, mostly. Like his father, he is not a sociable person at all -- he just likes to stay home and stay quiet. He visits Wynflaed and Sigefrith fairly often (when they were still at home), and Mouse and Wyn sometimes, but he doesn't have many friends otherwise, and doesn't get out much except on business.

It's about time I start thinking about Os's own big romance. Wynflaed had hers, Mouse had hers...

Meryt do you think Aia would find him attractive or would prefer a man who had Egelric or Sir malcolm's demeanor?

Aia can't be a lesbian I can't picture it. Margaret and Emma yeah I could picture them being lesbians but not Aia.

I can TOTALLY picture Aia as a lesbian! Not saying she is -- but I can totally see her swearing off of all men. What have the men ever done for her but mock her? NOT EVEN PITY SEX!

Uh, which elf, Tiffany?

http://www.lothere.com/demographics/person/view/id/17091

I am telepathically informing you that you should come to the chat...

Sorry to spam the forum, but it'd be nice to actually talk to people on the chat!

Awwww Tiffany!!! *hugs* I would but I am rushing off RIGHT NOW to eat my dinner. I shall raise my glass of cider in your honor.

*Puts in vote for a lesbian Aia* That would be SO awesome. Living there in her cozy little shack with her baby who she DIDN'T NEED A MAN TO GET. Fighting the patriarchy! She could start her own lesbian commune...or at least an independent single woman commune. It's already so cool that she's been the only woman to get a baby and home of her own without the aid of a husband. Gooooooo Aia!
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I'm romantic, literary, cynical, and a diehard Alred Sebright groupie.

But if Aia is a lesbian, who will she become romantically involved with?

I think Aia wants to cut straight to the 2.5 kids.

Devin, you get +10 karma points due to your spelling of "preferibbly".

I started the karma points, for who else could have?

Devin, you get the triple-word-score from the two-B's, but there's no "i" in preferably, just so you know.

What can I say? He made "preferably" rhyme with "dribbly". That is AWESOME.

Meryt will we ever see Uncle Mustache's daughter Iva or Lasrua and the other last one?

Meryt was Lar behind the death of his half- sister Perala?

So Hel went on a killing spree, but she killed mainly women not men.

Malcolm didn't combine the house and the shed, he just knocked the shed down to make room. Egelric wouldn't even have needed to, since there was quite a bit of yard between his front door and his shed. (And it might have involved cutting down trees, and you know how Egelric treasured the pines that were there.)

It's not really fair to Egelric to talk about which one he loved more. His father died when he was a little boy, and all he has are a few happy nostalgic memories, and perhaps no sense at all of the flaws that his father must have had.

My sense is that his father was somewhat lazy and dreamy, and it was his mother who really kept their household together and made sure there was always food on the table and so forth, even if only by nagging Gils into getting off his behind and getting to work. But Egelric just remembers the nagging. It's easy to love a ghost, as we've said on numerous occasions with regard to numerous characters.

His relationship with his mother was not great. She was physically and verbally abusive and beat him with various objects until he was big enough to scare her. In return he was a very bad and rebellious kid, and she didn't know what to do with him, especially after his grandfather died. They fought all the time. But he was loyal to her in his way. He lived with her till he married.

And at several times in the past, when he has thought about his failings as a father, he seemed to come to an understanding of his mother, since his "parenting style" resembles hers in some ways, and his temperament definitely does. I think he does forgive her. And he's old enough and wise enough to realize that his father could not have been the perfect daddy he remembered.

Old Maire is one of those characters who inhabits a story despite not actually being in it. She has influenced Egelric so much. She operates on the story from beyond the grave at times.

Egelric doesn't hit his kids the way his mom used to slap his face and beat him with the churn staff, but he can certainly roar, and his great failing is his sarcasm. He says things that hurt on occasion, but you have to be older than 3 or 4 to really "get them". Wulf and Gils are getting old enough to understand, I think, when he lashes out with the sarcasm.

Actually, no, his greatest failing as a father is and always has been his tendency to withdraw into himself and basically neglect his kids. When he abandons them, he always abandons them to someone safe, but he still abandons them sometimes. Iylaine shows the scars of this even today, and I bet Wulf and Gils and maybe Jehanne will too, now that Egelric is falling back into the same patterns since Lili's death. (The boys don't remember pre-Lili days.) Egelric is pretty good with his kids when he's around, but overall I would say he's one of the shittier fathers of Lothere. No offense to those who think otherwise.

I don't think we can say how he was with the boys after Sela's death. We hardly saw him that year. He seemed to withdraw from everybody at that time. The different was that he didn't run around. And that may be because Alred was wise enough or distracted enough to mostly leave Egelric alone for a change.

Egelric himself talked about himself as a father in "Lili's eyes cry":

"But you?  You are a very good father to your boys!"

"To my boys?" he shrugged and sighed.  "My boys are too young to understand sarcasm, and they are very seldom naughty.  You may ask my daughter what sort of father I truly am."

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Lothere do you have any preview images for the upcoming chapter involving Imin and Lar or Aia and her baby. Mostly Aia?

When did you say Lar would be naked?

I like Imin, when he chooses to be, he can really be a cool guy. I thought the next chapter would be of Lar and Imin TOGETHER. If its a chapter of only Lar then I have no desire to see a preview.

So how big is Aia's cottage like how many rooms 2 or 1?

Oh jeez my memory at only 19 years of age...

A goat.... Oh for the milk.

I still don't want to tell anything about what happened when Sela was killed. I'm saving that for the story.

We have already seen that elves suffer when their mothers (or spouses) are killed violently. Iylaine did, and Vash has only hinted at it, but he certainly did. The key is "violently" of course. That hasn't been explicitly defined either.

Yeah, she wasn't "leaking" anything... Kraaia sort of came away with the impression that the spurts of flame were somewhat tied to the strokes with the knife, but I hope I didn't stress that too much. Maybe Devin just extrapolated from that?

We've never seen anything like the elves spilling fire or water or anything when they've been stabbed or hurt. Their blood's red like anyone's.

Yeah, I said I wasn't going to answer any questions about what happened that night, and Wulf doesn't remember, so...

All I can do is offer the generic information that elves seem to suffer when their mothers die violently, for some definition of "elf" and for some definition of "violently".

Good point, Devin. That should certainly be interesting. Unfortunately for Aia, though, the peasants don't seem to like elves too much...

As long as Aia keeps to herself and does not converse with the wrong people I think she will be fine. Up-Eard seems like a rough neighorhood .

Who said anything about Seven being returned to the men? He doesn't even speak English. He doesn't know anything besides elven life.

It was only implied insofar as Lar believes the elves might all be killed someday, but Seven might be spared because he isn't an elf. Which might be wishful thinking, actually. Especially if Seven gets old enough to fight alongside the others -- he would probably fight to the death along with his adoptive people.

But if Seven ever did outlive them all, he might go to live with the men just because there wouldn't be anywhere else for him to go. But then again, maybe not. Maybe he would go live alone, or just kill himself or something.

Certainly nobody is preparing him to be returned to the men, if that's what you're getting at. Lar doesn't know what Dre originally had planned, but he has no intention of sending him away. And I doubt Lar will let him go so easily if "Dre" ever comes to collect him, either.

Stay tuned though, because we should be seeing Seven and considering his situation in life fairly soon.

It's impossible to say what would have happened of course... don't forget that if Lili hadn't died, Alred wouldn't have done what he did either. SO MUCH would have been different.

Obviously Egelric wouldn't have touched Maire in a million years. But Cearball probably would have been all the more attracted to her if he hadn't been all creeped out by Egelric's presence, so he might have slept with her anyway, assuming she was willing. (Which she might have been, though I sort of think not. She's too proud.)

Whether that would have led Maire to do what she did, that's anybody's guess.

Egelric hasn't done anything with Lili's things yet.

Sela's things... I don't know. She didn't have much in the way of "things". He probably saved some mementos for the boys, but not much else.